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*Replaced in [[Pinyin#Tones]] by Unicode. Original uploader cannot remember source and has [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3APinyinacc.png&diff=288129476&oldid=288127189 stated] that he is happy for the image to be deleted and a replacement used instead. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 09:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC) |
*Replaced in [[Pinyin#Tones]] by Unicode. Original uploader cannot remember source and has [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3APinyinacc.png&diff=288129476&oldid=288127189 stated] that he is happy for the image to be deleted and a replacement used instead. [[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 09:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' is something like this copyrightable? - some image should exist, and be linked to (hyperlink) since some people will surely not display the page properly anyways. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.203.200|76.66.203.200]] ([[User talk:76.66.203.200|talk]]) 08:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC) |
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June 25
- Davidbspalding (notify | contribs). - uploaded by
- Unjustifiable, excessive fair use image. This does not significantly increase the reader's understanding of the subject. ÷seresin 06:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Davidbspalding (notify | contribs). - uploaded by
- Unjustifiable, excessive fair use image. This does not significantly increase the reader's understanding of the subject. ÷seresin 06:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Davidbspalding (notify | contribs). - uploaded by
- Unjustifiable, excessive fair use image. This does not significantly increase the reader's understanding of the subject. ÷seresin 06:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Davidbspalding (notify | contribs). - uploaded by
- Unjustifiable, excessive fair use image. This does not significantly increase the reader's understanding of the subject. ÷seresin 06:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Stevertigo (notify | contribs). - uploaded by
- Replaced in Pinyin#Tones by Unicode. Original uploader cannot remember source and has stated that he is happy for the image to be deleted and a replacement used instead. Papa November (talk) 09:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Comment is something like this copyrightable? - some image should exist, and be linked to (hyperlink) since some people will surely not display the page properly anyways. 76.66.203.200 (talk) 08:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
- An identical FFD was filed on June 22, 2009 by EEMIV for CawleyasKirk.jpg. I will use EEMIV's words because I can find none better, "This image is from a Star Trek fan film. It's in Spock ostensibly to illustrate the topic, but the fan portrayal is a small paragraph in the overall article, has no commentary on how the character's appearance (i.e. what's actually depicted in the image) matters or has been subject of third-party commentary, and in general doesn't meet WP:NFCC requirements that the image "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic." Erikeltic (talk) 17:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Delete agree with EEMIV's reasoning. The only content discussing the fan production is "Spock has been depicted in at least one fan production. Brandon Stacy, who succeeds Jeffrey Quinn and Ben Tolpin portraying Spock in the Star Trek: Phase II series, also served as a stand-in for Quinto in the 2009 Star Trek film.[19]" That doesn't justify its use per NFCC at all. -Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 19:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- How so, David? It is cited, so it fulfills our RS criteria and negates any NFC#8 concerns. It is discussed within the article, so it isn't decorative, negating NFC#10. EEMIV's explanation that it is insignificant is rather invalid. Only three different dramatic portrayals of Spock have occurred in over 40 years. In itself, that is significant enough to demonstrate who has been doing the portrayals. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Only three different dramatic portrayals of Spock have occurred in over 40 years. That is incorrect. If you were to include all of the [three] actors to have played Spock in Phase II, then that number would be five. Should we put pictures of all of them in the article because they are mentioned in passing? Erikeltic (talk) 01:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- This just gets into your whole bit with the portrayals, Arcayne, and I have yet to be swayed that fan productions, no matter how recognized, are on par with the official portrayals established over decades. Sure, it's verified and discussed in part, but there's no critical commentary explaining how Stacey's Spock is different or similar in appearance or characteristic, and even if there was it would have to be significantly inhibited without the presence of an image. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 03:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- To Erikeltic: you're partly right, Spock has been portrayed by five different actors, but only three - and this includes Stacey - have received any reliable reference.
- To David: for the most part, I tend to agree with you; most fan productions aren't notable. But there is a point where some of these cross the threshold from obscurity and - akin to what I believe one jaded editor referred to "throwing a video of one's self onto YouTube" - into something recognized by regular media. Once it crosses that threshold, it meets our criteria for inclusion. Now, i will agree with you that they haven't the street cred - fans call it canon - that studio backing gives, but the fact that it is referenced means it's important to note. It isn't a description of the portrayal which is key here, but that such a portrayal exists. It is my belief that it benefits the reader to see the person cited and referred to in the text. We cannot allow our childhood preferences of the original series or the feature film to crowd out the fact that a very small number have interpreted this unusual role in over forty years. Only three have received reliably citable note. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 06:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- The citation you're talking about lists another actor, not Stacy, in the role of Spock. Specific to this file, I still say delete because it adds nothing to the article. My opinion on CawleyasKirk may be different at this point--if we have found consensus on format--but my opinion is splitting between them. Also, please, please, please drop the canon cross. Nobody, repeat nobody, is worried about canon. I haven't mentioned it and I could care less. If I was worried about canon, I would not have included information about books (such as I did when I introduced the Shatnerverse in Kirk). EEMIV said the same thing: nobody cares about canon. The bottom line is that this picture brings absolutely nothing to the article and in no way helps the reader understand Spock better. (Period.)
- And Dave... FWIW, James Cawley's wiki bio doesn't even have a picture of him and there is no Brandon Stacy bio on which to put a picture. Erikeltic (talk) 19:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- Jut to make sure that folk are aware, Erikeltic's emboldened emphasis of his desire to delete the image shouldn't be considered a vote (suggesting some weird need to bold everything). Anyhoo..the citation covers both actors. Are you suggesting a) that citations cannot serve more than one article?, and b) that you might change your vote on another AfD if you don't get this one in your favor? I'm really hoping that isn't the case. As there is indeed citation from Brandon Stacey's character as Spock, htere is sufficient reason that violates none of our fair use criteria for inclousion, and accompanies our text just fine. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 03:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
- Fails WP:NFCC#3a as multiple covers are being used when one would suffice. This image does not convey significant information. — Σxplicit 19:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Copyrighted photo of Uri Avnery meeting Yasser Arafat. Doesn't tell the reader anything other than that Avnery met Arafat; maybe that's enough by Wikipedia's standards but I'm guessing it's not. 71.182.211.165 (talk) 22:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. If you read the article, it explains why the photo is significant. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- You mean because Avnery was the first Israeli to meet with Arafat in 1982? I'm sure that's not when this photo was taken, so I don't see how it tells the reader anything about that event.71.182.211.165 (talk) 23:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, because of that. If this is not a photo of that meeting, then I'd say Delete. If it is a photo of that meeting, then I say keep. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- You mean because Avnery was the first Israeli to meet with Arafat in 1982? I'm sure that's not when this photo was taken, so I don't see how it tells the reader anything about that event.71.182.211.165 (talk) 23:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Non-free image of a living person. — Σxplicit 23:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)