Talk:Santur

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Proposed merger with Santoor

• Oppose merge. As of this comment we have six clear and cogent arguments against the merge, versus one comment (Jan 2006) from a user who has no evidence beyond similar pronunciation and who clearly is not speaking in terms of the two different instruments in question. The proposed-merge note in the main article is confusing and it will divert some users to a different instrument. Has that note really sat there in the article for 3.5 years, despite the obvious agreement here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.3.251 (talk) 10:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose merge. NOTE: Because of transliteration issues, those terms are sometimes confused, but the clear standard in English is santur for the persian instrument and santoor for the Indian instrument. Therefore, disambiguation between the two terms is actually an important goal for both articles in the English Wikipedia, and the presence of the merge request bar itself is likely misleading. Santur and santoor are entirely separate instruments; their physical construction, tuning, playing styles, cultural history and repertoire are different. --quelasol —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC).

• Oppose merge. I don't think this article should be merged with santoor. This is like wanting to merge the setar article with the sitar articles because the names sound similar. The physical differences, playing styles, and famous musicians between the Persian and its derivative Indian santurs are different enough to merit different articles. I think a simple renaming of the articles to maybe "Santoor (Persian)" and "Santoor (Indian)" would be sufficient. There have been many deletes (by anonymous editors) in the Indian santoor article concerning the Persian santur, and I feel that if the articles get merged most of my contributions about the Persian santur will eventually get deleted. --jonsafari 23:01, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

• Pronunciation of "سنتور" in Farsi is both of Santoor and Santur.I think these articles must merge. If there are different you can write.(مهدی 01:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC))

• Oppose merge. While Indian santoor and Persian santur are both hammered dulcimers, they are certainly two separate instruments with their own distinct histories and playing styles. The articles should absolutely remain separate, regardless of the similarity of the instruments' names. I completely agree with Jonsafari above regarding distinction between the names and perhaps renaming the pages to "Santoor (Persian)" and "Santoor (Indian)" as well as providing disambiguation links at the top for anyone who might be looking for one and finding the other. The santur page could then redirect to the Santoor (Persian) page. Thanks! --Swellbow 03:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose merge. These are two separate instruments in the hammered dulcimer family, constructed in different fashions and in different nations, from different materials, with different tunings. One is used for Persian music and the other for Hindustani (Indian) music. Badagnani 08:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose merge. I also oppose the merge and while the two types of "santour" are not as different as "setar" and "sitar" are, there are sufficient historical and physical differences to necessitate two separate articles. I concur in the suggestion of having two articles called "Santoor (Persian)" and "Santoor (Indian)" or at least having a "disambiguation" explanation on top of each article, directing the user to the other article for clarification.--Smalek 20:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose merge.

The santour appeared after the santur. Further, the construction is different. Dogru144 21:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

santour / hammered dulcimer

Why isn't the santour cross-referenced on the hammered dulcimer page? There is only a vague reference to Iran as the origin of the dulcimer.

That should be asked on the hammered dulcimer page. –jonsafari 18:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Spelling of "santur"

• I think the various spellings of "santur" should be included in this article. The current spelling of "santur" does not read the same way as it is pronounced in Farsi. Other spellings (most commonly "santour" and "santoor") should be included (perhaps with a disambiguation link) to keep true to the actual pronunciation of the word. TarTar Sauce 16:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll add other pronunciations of the name. BTW, santour already redirects to here. –jonsafari 18:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

History

Please! Let's have some history for this article. Dogru144 21:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)