Talk:Flag of Scotland/GA1

GA Review

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I am failing this article. The problem I have with this is the omission of key facts. I fixed some of them myself, but this needs a lot more work than before I feel this is GA work. The main facts I feel that is missing is a definite source on what the proportions of the white saltire are. I understand a little bit about the ratios, but you need to find out who uses what ratio or cut it down to the ones that we know of. Also, you need to cite a source on what the hexidecimal colors for the Pantone 300 shade are or just remove it entirely. Overall, you need to use the http://toolserver.org/~magnus/makeref.php tool for the references and occasional use http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/webchecklinks.py?page=Flag_of_Scotland to check for URLs. I will work with you to help with all of these areas, since flags are my specialty.

Reviewer: User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:34, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi User:Zscout370. I have had a go at your suggested changes. Where does the article now stand with regard to:

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

.....................................Regards Endrick Shellycoat 13:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

This article is heavily POV. Jut a few things I've found:

1. “Royal Standard of Scotland” is not a “state flag”;

2. “loyalty and nationality” can also be demonstrated by flying the Union Jack (http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/235.html) and always has the prominent position (http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/236.html);

3. “other colours for the flag's background, including red and black, have also been recorded”. Not true, the source describes differing backgrouds for the Saltire as a Scotch Emblem. It states “… national emblem is on soldier’s uniforms, rather than as a flag”;

4. “Adopted: Circa 1180”. Not true, this article is about the Flag of Scotland not the Saltire emblem;

5. “The Scottish heraldic term”, I think we can dropped the Scottish, it is no different in English heraldry;

6. “The tincture of the Saltire can appear as either silver (Argent) or white…”, the reference for this is to the College of Arms and not to the Court of the Lord Lyon. Why?;

7. “the shade of blue most likely being determined by the dye available at the time”, mere speculation with no reference;

8. “earliest reference to the Saint Andrew's Cross as a flag is to be found in the Vienna Book of Hours”, the book makes no mention that if was used specifically by the Scotch;

9. “The earliest use of the Saltire as a symbol of Scotland can be traced to 1180”, not supported by the source. In 1180 an image of St. Andrew was in use. Further it was “used in Scotland” the source makes not mention at that time it is was a symbol of Scotland;

10. “Further evidence shows that by…” here’s the crux; this should read “The first certain illustration of the St. Andrew’s Cross on a blue field as we have it today is in the armorial of Sir David Lindsay in 1542AD.” from The Story of Scotland’s flag, Graham Bartram;

11. “The Scottish Government has decreed that the Saltire will fly on all its buildings every day from 8am until sunset.” Not true, the reference given relates only to flag days;

12. “In recent years, embassies of the United Kingdom have also flown the Saltire to mark St Andrew's Day”. Not true, the source only mentions celebrations;

13. “planning permission to fly the Saltire from a vertical flagpole is not required”, not in reference given and not a reliable source;

SatDen (talk) 16:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)