Talk:Gurkha

"Before the incident of Sept 11, the GC was seldom seen in public. Nowsadays they can be seen patrolling the streets and replacing local policemen to guard key installations"

Reading the article, it's not clear what the 'incident of sept 11' is. Presumably the reference is to the attack on the USA in 2001, but this should be made clear.

Cleanup for the heading section?

The header section could use some clean-up, especially taking the references and grouping them in the end of the whole article. As of now, the heading is quite jumbled and hard to follow.

I am not bold enough, nor do I have the stylesheet at hand to effect the changes myself. --131.207.161.152 10:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Merge request

I have made a merger request in Wikipedia:Duplicate_articles#G to merge Brigade of Gurkhas into this article. Reading through both articles unwittingly gives readers a sense of deja vu, as it did for me, because ulitimately one cant help talking about one without mentioning the other in-depth, since as I mentioned in the merge request, that Gurkhas are commonly formed in Brigades or similar organisations in armies where they are deployed in, and that was were they became famous. Combining the two articles should create a single, well-writtern article with an appriopriate length worthy for refinement into WP:FA status in future.--Huaiwei 22:02, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Disagree - the Brigade is the current British Army umbrella organisation for Gurkhas in the British Army. Gurkhas in general deserve another article - e.g. history of Gurkhas, Gurkhas in the Indian Army and in the Singapore Police Force.--jrleighton 07:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Then help to reduce the dublicating content to justify maintaining two articles. Brigade of Gurkhas seems to be rather lost in its scope...should it be discussing the organisation of Gurkhas in the British army in brigades, or should it actually talk about Gurkhas in the British army in general? If so, should the title be changed? As it stands, it seems to be talking too much about general issues which should be in this article.--Huaiwei 14:38, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Disagree too - Gurkhas have an active and distinct history in Modern India and Nepal - cf. the Darjeeling Gurkha movement which forced Nepali to become a national language of india, and created the Darjeeling Gurkha Hill Council. The Gurkha regiments article should focus on honours in war etc, for the gurkhas served prestigiously in the great wars, specially in Monty's North African campaign, in environment very different from their natural environs. I will try and remove some of the duplication, but I dont have idea about Gurkhas. Isnt there a nepali wikicommunity? Pradiptaray 07:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Falklands

There is no mention of their role in the Falklands War. Should there be? --Error 05:03, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

History

The history has an unnecessarily distinct Hindu POV. It also mentions mythical/disputed places (like Mt. Meru)as if it is common knowledge. Needs to be cleaned up a little.

History

This is Dr. Sumerendra Vir Singh Chauhan, I have no idea who placed this comment of the unnecessary distinct hindu POV. For your kind information sir, I come form the family of Kalbhoj and this is not about having a Hindu POV, its fact and history. If tomorrow Wikipedia decides that it would rather use incorrect information that would not hold in an academic environment, then I can understand it being nothing but a propaganda machine, however, considering that those of us who do write articles and actually come from the family in question would be quite offended when someone is trying to dictate my family history to me. If you have a problem, you can kindly contact me through Dr. Joseph T. O'Connell, Professor Emeritus, South Asian Studies Deptartment, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. If you further need clarification of Kalbhoj you can even go to the website for the Royal Family of Mewar. http://www.mewarindia.com/ otherwise I am removing the NPOV which I find to be offensive and gearing this article towards a political agenda.

References

I am finding it quite ridiculous that I need to list references when I am recognised by an Ivy league University and a well known Academic of South Asian Studies (Dr. O'Connell) as an authority on the Gorkha house, since I am a family member and direct descendant. This is simply ridiculous but I have catered to the request for references, if it is not enough, I'll meet with whoever at Narayan Hati Palace in Kathmandu and show archival material. I find it amazing that when people like Dr. King, Dr. Grewal, Dr. Israel and other professors of South Asian Studies from across North America met me during my presentations, no one questioned my authority on the topics since I know about facts which are not published in history books but are kept within the family. And here on a free encyclopedia I am willing to share some knowledge and put some light on the topic and suddenly people are questioning the authenticity. I guess if Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth were to write about her family, then you would demand the same. Here are some references to please your palate: [References as requested: 1. Purushottam Sham Shere J B Rana, chief Historian of Nepal, Jung bahadur rana-The story of his rise and glory,ISBN # : 81-7303-087-1

2. The Mewar Encylopedia, Compiled, written and edited by Ian Austin and Thakur Nahar Singh Jasol http://www.mewarindia.com/ency/indexency.html

3. Bappa Rawal VOL- 705 Amar Chitra Katha Publications, India Publishing House

4. http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/hindu_history/landrajput.html

5. Goswami, C.G. and M.N. Mathur, Mewar and Udaipur, Himnashu Publicaitons, Udaipur-New Delhi

6. Davenport, Hugh, The Trials and Triumphs of the Mewar Kingdom, Maharana Mewar Charitable Foundation, Udaipur

7. Tod, Lieut.-Col. James, edited by William Crooke, C.I.E., Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan, 3 volumes, Motilal Banarsidass Publishers Pvt. Ltd., Delhi, reprint 1994

8. Austin, Ian, Mewar-The World’s Longest Serving Dynasty, Roli Books, Delhi/The House of Mewar, 1999

9. Retired General Narendra Bir Singh, Gorkha Rifles, fromer ADC to Lord Mountbatten, Indian Military Academy, Denhra Dun, Uttaranchal, India, cousin to Dr. Sumerendra Vir Singh Chauhan, MD.

10. Chauhan, Dr. Sumerendra Vir Singh, The Way of Sacrifice: The Rajputs, Pages 28-30, Graduate Thesis, South Asian Studies Department, Dr. Joseph T. O'Connell, Professor Emeritus, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontarion Canada, 1996.

11. H.E. Mr. Murari Raj Sharma, Ambassador, The Permanent Mission of the Kingdom of Nepal to the United Nations, New York, NY, (212) 370-3988/9

12. Mr. Sagar SJB Rana (Trustee), Lt. Gen. Sridhar SJB Rana (Executive Member), Mrs. Greta Rana (Executive Member), Mr. Madhukar SJB Rana (Immediate Past President and Ex-Officio Member), British Embassy in Nepal, phone: (977) (1) 4410583

13. H.E. Prabal Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana, Ambassador, Royal Nepalese Embassy, 12a Kensington Palace Gardens, London W8 4QU

14. Retd. Chief Justice Prithvi Bahadur Singh, Supreme Court of Nepal, Kathmandu, Nepal, cousin to Dr. Sumerendra Vir Singh Chauhan, MD]

Gorkhali 00:28, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Like the judicial systems in open, advanced societies, no one is above the law, and no wikipedian is above wikipolicies. The need to cite your references is a basic policy which all wikipedians must abide by irrespective of who they are in real life or what their stature is in wikipedia, founder or newbie. As an academic, I would have thought you would appreciate this requirement better, since the failure to do referencing in academia is just as deeply frowned upon, if not more so.

In addition, please also see our guidelines with regards to presentation style. Your extensive listing of references in the article, while appreciated, disregards there guidelines completely.--Huaiwei 14:45, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Huaiwei,

I understand the need to cite references and sources, however when people simply come in and edit without regard or simply start claiming that the neutrality of the article may be in question just because it happens to mention their ethinicity in a not so favorable light then one can become irritated with the process.

Also, I have seen the Rajput article go down into flames with one person trying to defend himself, although at times not so elegantly but he does give valid references, however no one is seeing the fact that the opposing side is not citing even one source. That is the only reason why I started getting irritated, I don't think someone should simply edit if they only have an opinion, they should try and state facts, whether or not it is stated in a politically correct manner.

As an academic I do understand the imporatnce of references, however, I have also seen Wikipedia's double standards as well, that is the only reason why I was frustrated. However, thank you for your comments, and I will try and learn your policies in Wikipedia. Gorkhali 09:07, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

History

No offence meant, but the list of 'references'are affecting the 'flow' of the paragraph on Nepal's history. You may consider removing them and putting them lower down, after the article is over. Amar Chitra Katha comics don't make good references for 'history'. You might well make it 'Legends' - as the Amar Chitra Katha marks them. Can you also include mention about the Buddhist influence on Nepal? Please clean up your references too, you don't have the name of books mentioned clearly.

No merger please

Gurkha and Brigade of Gurkhas are two distinct and different topics. The former is about a social group of Indian subcontinent, mostly residing in Nepal, whereas the later is about the soldiers, mostly belonging to this social group. Merging the two is like merging an article on Sikhs with the Sikh Regiment or vice versa. Accordingly, I shall be removing the merger notice shortly. Further comments are invited. --Bhadani 14:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

References

Okay, I've been going through the WikiSources [[1]} to better understand the kind of references provided in the text. Some of the references are names of people, which really does not help. Except those references which list the names and addresses (or some other contact details), I'm going to remove references to people in a couple of days. Please make corrections or add details. --tejahb 12:58, 14 November 2005 (IST)

• I'm sorry, but providing persons as references, indeed including Her Majesty and all professors of all ivy league universities, is not useful.

This is so simply because identities of writers cannot be proven and you can hardly expect people to make phonecalls on the topic (which again wouldn't help prove anything). Historical facts can be proven by appropriate sources. What am I doing here? Explaining to an academic, what is academic? --84.159.137.29 16:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I guess it doesn't help that a lot of the article has to do with my immediate family (Nepal Royal Family). I am so so sorry for being so dumb, thank you 84.159.137.29 for shining the light at the end of the tunnel for me. What would I do without you? You're right, I probably screwed up in how I should present references here, but you could also be a little more understanding in your tone. Or is that to hard to ask? Gorkhali 10:20, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

learn to quote (or learn english?)

Bravest of the brave, most generous of the generous, never had _A_ country more faithful friends than you

--84.159.137.29 17:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Now you are making a mountain of a molehill. Theres no need to be rude. Its evident that the most of the authors of this article are not native speakers of English. Try to be helpful.

अमेय आरयन AMbroodEY 11:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I am so so sorry that my English is not up to your standards. Can you ever forgive me? I simply took that quote which was further down the article and pasted it closer to the top, maybe I should have been more careful and noticed the "A" missing. I will try to take a remedial course in english 84.159.137.29, thank you for being so kind and understanding. Gorkhali 10:16, 30 December 2005 (UTC)