Talk:Pillarisation

Three pillars?

Were there only three pillars? What about the liberals, didn't they form a fourth pillar? The table shows the three pillars and a fourth (general). The corresponding paper, political party and so on are considered liberal, so why aren't the liberals considered a pillar? Please clarify or correct this.

The general pillar wasn't a real pillar as the text reads: "People who were not associated with one of these pillars, mainly middle and upper class latitudinarian Protestants and atheists set up their own pillar: the general pillar. Ties between general organisations were much less strong. The political parties usually associated with this pillar were the liberal VDB and LSP, although these parties opposed pillarisation." The texts also says that there were atleast three pillars. I hope this clarifies. C mon 11:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

The third pillar is the anti-clerical pillar. Intangible 12:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Is this system comparable to the dhimmi system historically especially in Spain? Just wondering. Jztinfinity 22:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

As I understand it, Jews lived in the Netherlands in the 19th century. Where did they fit into the pillarisation system? Did the Jews form their own pillar? 68.32.48.221 (talk) 05:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

According to the article on Dutch Jews, "Dutch Jews were staunch supporters of the Dutch monarchy until the late 19th century. Most Jews became socialists during the early 20th century and were fully integrated into the socialist pillar before the Holocaust." (Hmmmmm. So that would group Jews together with liberal Protestants and atheists?) 68.32.48.221 (talk) 05:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Morris dancing?

Really? Tozznok 19:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Unique?

I was wondering how unique the "Verzuiling" is in world history. To be honest: I was quite surprised that this is only addressed as a Dutch/Belgian phenomenon. Are there similar systems that are hidden away in Wikipedia under a different name? --Looskuh 21:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The article states: "Austrian, Israeli and Maltese societies were other examples of this phenomenon." So there is more, however the Dutch were and Belgians are quite extreme in this phenomenon. C mon 23:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget that Northern Ireland has a sort of “pillarise” society, with Catholics, Protestants & none-religious voting different parties, reading different newspapers, going to different schools etc. Even French and German Wikipedia has seen this.

	Protestant/Unionist	Catholic/Nationalist	Neutral/None-Religious
Political Parties	UUP; DUP; PUP	SDLP; Sínn Féin	Alliance
Newspapers	The Belfast Telegraph; The News Letter; British newspapers	The Irish News; Irish newspapers	Newspapers in general
Schools	State schooling	Catholic schools	State schooling
Sports (examples)	Football	Gaelic football: hurling;	Football

159753 15:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The concept may not be unique, but the terminology used may be 85.159.97.5 (talk) 09:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see the problem, the article recognizes this! C mon (talk) 11:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Remnants

I think the primary and secondary school systems are also a leftover. Not directly, as in that they promote a certain pillar, but more that e.g. the organisation and ownership of non-public schools are still heavily tied to the Bishopric's in the South. This while strangely enough, the Catholic Pillar dissolved the strongest, with over 90% of the children on Catholic schools not having parents that are Catholic in more than name or not at all. 88.159.74.100 13:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Lack of References

"Pillarization" is discussed by Arend Lijphart. If I find time I'll get some references from his publications. 166.137.136.213 (talk) 22:09, 25 December 2009 (UTC)