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[[User:Kiahnicole|Kiahnicole]] ([[User talk:Kiahnicole#top|talk]]) 06:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
[[User:Kiahnicole|Kiahnicole]] ([[User talk:Kiahnicole#top|talk]]) 06:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:The LA Times citation will help (why can you not link to it?), but if that's all you have, honestly that won't be enough. Here's how this looks right now: You have a new website that is targeted to teens, and you're hoping this will build into something bigger, so you're promoting it on Wikipedia 'cause it's free and lots of people read it, and WP ranks high on Google results. Unfortunately, this draft contains facts about the site's technology and business plan that only an insider would know, so it goes against [[WP:COI|conflict of interest guidelines]]. Unless you can provide some references to show that ''others'' recognize the notability of the site, this article simply won't cut it. It reads like a thinly-disguised press release, which is simply a form of advertising and promotion. The best-written article in the world won't make a non-notable subject notable. Sorry. - [[User:Realkyhick|Realkyhick]] <small>([[User talk:Realkyhick|Talk to me]])</small> 07:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:The LA Times citation will help (why can you not link to it?), but if that's all you have, honestly that won't be enough. Here's how this looks right now: You have a new website that is targeted to teens, and you're hoping this will build into something bigger, so you're promoting it on Wikipedia 'cause it's free and lots of people read it, and WP ranks high on Google results. Unfortunately, this draft contains facts about the site's technology and business plan that only an insider would know, so it goes against [[WP:COI|conflict of interest guidelines]]. Unless you can provide some references to show that ''others'' recognize the notability of the site, this article simply won't cut it. It reads like a thinly-disguised press release, which is simply a form of advertising and promotion. The best-written article in the world won't make a non-notable subject notable. Sorry. - [[User:Realkyhick|Realkyhick]] <small>([[User talk:Realkyhick|Talk to me]])</small> 07:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


'''Reallyhick:''' Hi there. I was having trouble getting external links to post here. I'll try again at the bottom of this post.

You've been very gracious, and I really appreciate it. I definitely agree that my attempts so far have not fit your standards, but I'm not ready to give up just yet. ;) I'm a newspaper journalist by day, so frankly I'm happy to find out that there ARE standards! I also agree that not everything that is well-written is notable. We deal with that dilemma every day in the newspaper world.

You're right that TweenTribune is new and we're hoping it grows into something bigger. Who wouldn't? Plus, Wikipedia is an amazing tool that everyone uses. But if you Google search "tween," TweenTribune comes up fairly high on the first results page, so this really isn't about Google results. I wrote the first version WAY too PR-heavy, and I see that now.

With a new, objective approach in mind, I still believe this subject has unbiased merit for two key reasons. 1. It's a resource for teachers. The goal of the site is to help kids find value in educating themselves about their world. Not so different from the goal of an online encyclopedia, right? 2. The site and its founder Alan Jacobson are constantly referenced in online conversations about the current newspaper crisis in America, a very notable subject.

I'd like to submit one more objective, polished draft to you for consideration. But first, I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts on the following:

1. Now that school has started again, our page views have doubled in two weeks. We're on track to get a million page views this month. I realize that this, by itself, doesn't make the site notable. But doesn't it show that ''someone'' finds it notable?

2. You said other trustworthy people need to recognize the notability of the site. I have lots of articles from well-known publications (LA Times, Family Circle Magazine, Good Housekeeping, Editor & Publisher, etc.) and respected bloggers. Would you mind glancing over these links? I referenced them in the first draft I posted, but you probably didn't see them.

'''[http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-onthemedia16-2009dec16,0,5360286.column LA Times story: News website pins its hopes on tweens]'''

'''Story in Family Circle magazine, December 2009''' by '''Nina Elias''', ''[[Family Circle]]''
<blockquote>
''"...President Obama’s plans for health care – not a huge concern for most kids. But what Sasha and Malia are up to is a different story. TweenTribune.com is the online hotspot for all the news your tween can use, including the latest on the First Kids and their parents. Now you and your kids can discuss current events with – get this – enthusiasm..."''
</blockquote>

'''[http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/family/tweens/News_for_Tweens Goodhousekeeping: Web sites with news for tweens]''' By '''Jen Singer''' of ''[[Good Housekeeping|Goodhousekeeping.com]]''

'''[http://www.fitzandjen.com/2009/11/jen-alan-mutter-perfectly-summarizes-whats-wrong-with-the-newspaper-industry-in-this-profile-of-alan-jacobson-and-his-effort.html Editor & Publisher: Newspapers need to lose the pack mentality]''' by '''Jennifer Saba''' of ''[[Editor & Publisher]]''

'''[http://www.ypulse.com/update-the-tween-tribune-goes-to-schools TweenTribune goes to schools]''' by '''Anastasia Goodstein''' of ''[http://YPulse.com YPulse.com]''

'''[http://wemedia.com/2008/12/04/are-tweens-the-solution-to-the-newspaper-crisis/ Are Tweens The Solution to the Newspaper Crisis?]''' by '''Brian Reich''' of ''[http://wemedia.com WeMedia]''

'''[http://jim-thompson.posterous.com/7267251 Great Content Is Only Half the Battle]''' by '''Jim Thompson'''

'''[http://www.borrellassociates.com/wordpress/2009/11/24/news-for-tweens-omg/ This is the way local media companies ought to be thinking]''' by '''Gordon Borrell''' of Borrell Associates

'''[http://newsosaur.blogspot.com/2009/11/newspaper-epitaph-who-else-is-doing-it.html Newspapers' final words]''' by Alan Mutter of [http://newsosaur.blogspot.com Newsosaur]''

'''[http://wemedia.com/2008/12/04/are-tweens-the-solution-to-the-newspaper-crisis/ Are Tweens The Solution to the Newspaper Crisis?]''' by '''Brian Reich''' of ''[http://wemedia.com WeMedia]''

'''[http://thinkingaboutmedia.com/2008/12/omg-a-newspaper-for-tweens/ OMG! A newspaper for tweens!]''' by '''Brian Reich''' of ''[http://wemedia.com WeMedia]''

'''[http://www.killerstartups.com/Site-Reviews/tweentribune-com-news-for-tweens News for tweens]''' by ''[http://KillerStartups.com Killerstartups.com]''

'''[http://www.ypulse.com/extra-extra-the-tweentribune-launches EXTRA! EXTRA! TweenTribune launches]''' by ''[http://YPulse.com YPulse.com]''

'''[http://www.zepy.net/archives/tweentribune-news-for-tweens-by-tweens.html News for tweens, by tweens]''' by ''[http://zepy.com zepy.com]''

'''[http://tweendex.blogspot.com/2009/12/tween-tribune-news-for-kids-news-by.html Tween Tribune: News For Kids & News By Kids, by TweenTribune]''' by Anna McKay, [http://tweendex.blogspot.com Tweendex]

[[User:Kiahnicole|Kiahnicole]] ([[User talk:Kiahnicole#top|talk]]) 19:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


== January 2010 ==
== January 2010 ==

Revision as of 19:26, 5 January 2010

Welcome!

Hello, Kiahnicole, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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A tag has been placed on TweenTribune.com, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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You can simply erase all the text, and then I or someone else will mark it for speedy deletion because of author blanking. Then you can rewrite the article and submit it again. But bear in mind that the web site needs to meet Wikipedia standards for notability, and frankly, I'm not certain this one does. And the best-written article in the world won't help a subject that is not notable. When you do submit a rewrite, lay off the blurbs from other writers. That really makes it look like a promotional article. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 07:57, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks. Will do. I appreciate your advice.


Reallyhick: Can you please look at the following draft and tell me if it's closer to meeting Wikipedia's standards? If so, I will clean it up, format it, add to it, and resubmit for approval. But I'd like to get your opinion first, if possible. Also, does a mention higher up of an L.A. Times story (I'd show you, but I can't link to it here) on TweenTribune help with the "notability" problem?

TweenTribune.com

TweenTribune is an online newspaper for kids, aged 8-15. It is updated daily with stories from the Associated Press that are compelling, relevant, interesting and useful to tweens, which they post comments upon. Teachers use the site to meet No Child Left Behind requirements for reading, writing and computers.

The site is intended to teach children to seek out news on a daily basis so they become well-informed adults and better participants in American democracy. It is also a proof-of-concept model for new ways to fund journalism online.

The site employs a series of previously untried methods for building audience and revenue. These strategies grew audience and revenue in a matter of weeks, but it remains too soon to tell whether these strategies are the "silver bullet" that media companies seek to funding journalism in the digital age.

BUSINESS MODEL: To achieve uses a series of strategies to reduce cost combined with a group of diversified revenue streams to form a previously untested business model for online news.

Low cost, mulitple revenue streams.

LOW-COST CONTENT MODEL - User-generated content (UGC) - in the form of comments posted by students. Unique content provided by users reduces the need to fund oringinal content. - Distributive editing (DE) - all comments are moderated, by the editing task is distributed across the user base of teachers who must approve their students' comments before they are published online. Distributed editing provides valuable editorial oversight at no cost. - Cloud computing provides on-demand scalability to meet user demand without the need to deploy costly dedicated servers that may sit idle during periods of low demand. - Open source code. Webservers use these open source code applications: LInux, PHP, MySQL; The content management system (CMS) is also open source code: Drupal.


REVENUE STREAMS - Display advertising is targeted demographically, based on the appeal of the content to a youth audience, and geographically, with specific local ads served up based on the IP address of the user. So the user's location determine which ads they see. - Sponsorships by national advertisers which are not targeted geographically - "Freemium" model, in which basic features are provided to teachers and students at no cost, with specific value-added features are provided at an additional, nominal cost. (Cite Chris Anderson's "Free- the future of radical price) - Subscription fees paid by local media companies to promote their brands and local content to the next generation of news consumers.

HISTORY ...to come

TECHNOLOGY The site is built on the Drupal open-source code content management system (CMS), with custom modules developed by EbizonNetinfo of Noida, India. The site his hosted by Rackspace in San Antonio, Texas. It employs a unique, hybrid hosting solution developed by Rackspace to provide the instant and automatic scalability via cloud-based file severs while preserving the security of the sites database with a dedicated server.

CITATIONS ...to come

Kiahnicole (talk) 06:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The LA Times citation will help (why can you not link to it?), but if that's all you have, honestly that won't be enough. Here's how this looks right now: You have a new website that is targeted to teens, and you're hoping this will build into something bigger, so you're promoting it on Wikipedia 'cause it's free and lots of people read it, and WP ranks high on Google results. Unfortunately, this draft contains facts about the site's technology and business plan that only an insider would know, so it goes against conflict of interest guidelines. Unless you can provide some references to show that others recognize the notability of the site, this article simply won't cut it. It reads like a thinly-disguised press release, which is simply a form of advertising and promotion. The best-written article in the world won't make a non-notable subject notable. Sorry. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 07:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

January 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to TweenTribune.com has been reverted, as it appears to have removed content from the page without explanation. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Shadowjams (talk) 08:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]