User talk:Kala Bethere

Transcendental Classification

Meditation Name	Type	Includes	Price
Transcendental meditation (TM)	Basic mantra	Basic instruction over 4 days and followup	1500 USD + materials for religious puja
Sahaj Samadhi	Basic mantra plus advanced technique	Basic instruction, TM advanced technique and followup	350 USD, if discounted, 175, sliding scale + materials for religious puja
Primordial Sound Meditation (Chopra)	Basic mantra	Basic instructions over 3 days	375 USD
I AM Meditation (Amma)	Basic mantra	Basic instruction, free repeats, free recharge of mantra	"Free as a service to society"
Shambhala I Meditation	Breath and attentional training	Weekend course or free teaching at centers. Includes food.	125 USD for weekend course, Free if taught at center or instructor's home
Vipassana (Goenka)	Focussed meditation, Open Presence meditation, various skills	10 day course with meals and lodging	Free or donation
Scientists Week-long Course	Focussed meditation, Open Presence meditation, various skills	7 day course for scientists in retreat setting.	$375 includes lodging and meals.
NSR Meditation (Natural Stress Relief)	Using a mantra to transcend thinking and experience pure consciousness	Self-instruction from manual: two lessons a day for three days	$47 USD for manual and 4 prepaid email consultations

MVAH

I think you may have placed a comment in different section than you intended,[1] which is easy to do. Perhaps it belongs better at the end of "MEDRS example", where we discuss a review? I have a response, but I first wanted to check with you about which thread it should go in.   Will Beback  talk  21:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

You're right Will. Sorry about that. I'm still getting used to editing.--Kala Bethere (talk) 22:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Private Workspace for Compiling Study list

This section is for user Kala Bethere to work on a table of acceptable papers. Please do not edit, but feel free to leave suggestions in the section below.

Study or Paper name	Independent?	Reasons/Other
Osment, Noel (June 9, 1984). "Power of TM". The San Diego Union: p. A-21.		Low quality source, Lacks Notability for Fringe claims, undue weight to minority views
McCabe, Carol (August 18, 1989). "It might not fly at the '92 Olympics, but yogic competitors had a field day". Journal-Bulletin Providence Journal (Providence, R.I.)		Low quality source, Lacks Notability for Fringe claims, undue weight to minority views
Pearson, Craig (2008). The Complete Book of Yogic Flying. Maharishi University of Management Press. p. 546.	NOT Independent	Author prominent TM org affiliate, self-published
"What is Yogic Flying?". permanentpeace.org. Retrieved December 30, 2009.	NOT Independent	TM Movement website
"A Lift for lives of stress". Times Herald. August 15, 1986.		Low quality source, Lacks Notability for Fringe claims, undue weight to minority views
Associated Press (July 9, 1986). "And awaaaaaaaay we go".		Low quality source, Lacks Notability for Fringe claims, undue weight to minority views
Dawson, Victoria (July 10, 1986). "At the Hop: The Flying Yogis' Olympiad". Washington Post.	r	Low quality source, Lacks Notability for Fringe claims, undue weight to minority views
Maharishi's Programme to Create World Peace. Age of Enlightenment Press. 1987. p. 1. ISBN 0891860525, 978-0891860525.	NOT Independent	Self-published b, Author affiliated with TM Org
"Yogis Say They're a Hop, Skip and Jump From Flying". Los Angeles Times. July 10 1986.	row 8, cell 2	Low quality source, Lacks Notability for Fringe claims, undue weight to minority views
Travis, Frederick T.; David W. Orme-Johnson (1990). "EEG Coherence and Power During Yogic Flying". International Journal of Neuroscience 54 (1): 1. doi:10.3109/00207459008986616. ISSN 0020-7454. Retrieved 2009-12-31.	NOT Independent	MUM affiliated profs.
Orme-Johnson, D. W., et al.,"Longitudinal effects of the TM-Sidhi program on EEG phase coherence", in Chalmers, R.A., et al., eds., Scientific Research on Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Program: Collected Papers, vol. 3, Maharishi Vedic University Press (1989) pp. 1678–1686	NOT Independent	MUM/MIU affiliation
Wallace, R.Keith; Paul J. Mills, David W. Orme-Johnson, Michael C. Dillbeck, Eliha Jacobe (1983-01). "Modification of the paired H reflex through the transcendental meditation and TM-Sidhi program". Experimental Neurology 79 (1): 77-86. doi:10.1016/0014-4886(83)90379-5. Retrieved 2009-12-31.	NOT Independent	Former MIU President, MIU/MUM profs and affiliates
Werner, OR; RK Wallace, B Charles, G Janssen, T Stryker, RA Chalmers (1986-01-01). "Long-term endocrinologic changes in subjects practicing the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program". Psychosomatic Medicine 48 (1): 59-66. Retrieved 2009-12-31.	NOT Independent	Former MIU President, MIU/MUM profs and affiliates
Orme-Johnson, David W.; Christopher T. Haynes (1981). "EEG - Phase Coherence, Pure Consciousness, Creativity, and TM—Sidhi Experiences". International Journal of Neuroscience 13 (4): 211. doi:10.3109/00207458108985804. ISSN 0020-7454. Retrieved 2009-12-31.	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM profs and affiliates
Hatchard, G. D., Deans, A. J., Cavanaugh, K. L., & Orme-Johnson, D. W. (1996) The Maharishi Effect: A model for social improvement. Time series analysis of a phase transition to reduced crime in Merseyside metropolitan area. Psychology, Crime and Law, 2(3), 165–174.	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM/MSAE profs and affiliates
Global Good News Service, Global Country of World Peace (January 9, 2008). "Maharishi inspires the creation of perpetual memorials of invincibility". Press release.	NOT Independent	Self-published, Org Press release
19 January 2005 Press Conference Highlights". Global Good News. January 19, 2005. Retrieved January 6, 2010.	NOT Independent	Self-published, Org Press release
Orme-Johnson, David; Oates, Robert (Fall 2008). "A Field-Theoretic View of Consciousness: Reply to Critics". Journal of Scientific Exploration 22 (3): 139-66.	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM profs and affiliates
Alexander, Charles; Orme-Johnson, David (1986). "Reducing Conflict and Enhancing the Quality of Life in Israel Using the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Program: Explanation of a Social Research Project". Cultic Studies Journal 3 (1): 142-146.	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM profs and affiliates
Deutsche Nachrichten Agentur (2008/01/24). "Howard Settle: "Yogic Flyers, Create Invincible America today"". Press release. Retrieved Decenber 31, 2009.	NOT Independent	Self-published, Org Press release
Orme-Johnson, David; Alexander, Charles N.; Davies, John L. (1990). "The Effects of the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field". Journal of Conflict Resolution 34 (4): 756-768.	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM profs and affiliates
Orme-Johnson, David; Alexander, Charles N.; Davies, John L. (1990). "International Peace Project in the Middle East". Journal of Conflict Resolution 32 (4): 776-812.	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM profs and affiliates
Hagelin, John S.; Maxwell V. Rainforth, Kenneth L. C. Cavanaugh, Charles N. Alexander, Susan F. Shatkin, John L. Davies, Anne O. Hughes, Emanuel Ross, David W. Orme-Johnson (1999-06-01). "Effects of Group Practice of the Transcendental Meditation Program on Preventing Violent Crime in Washington, D.C.: Results of the National Demonstration Project, June--July 1993". Social Indicators Research 47 (2): 153-201. doi:10.1023/A:1006978911496. Retrieved 2009-12-29.	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM profs and affiliates
Rainforth, Maxwell. "A Rebuttal to "Voodoo Science". Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy, Maharishi University of Management. Retrieved January 2, 2010.	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM profs and affiliates
Natural Law Party of the United Kingdom (April 25, 1996). "British study shows Transcendental Meditation is a proven and cost-effective way to reduce crime". Press release.	NOT Independent	Org-based press release
"Maharishi Effect Published Articles", Maharishi University of Management website	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM profs and affiliates; self-published
Dillbeck, M. C., Cavanaugh, K. L., Glenn, T., Orme-Johnson, D. W., & Mittlefehldt, V. (1987). Consciousness as a field: The Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program and changes in social indicators. Journal of Mind and Behavior, 8(1), 67–104.	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM profs and/or affiliates
Assimakis, P. D.; Dillbeck, M. C. (1995). "Time series analysis of improved quality of life in Canada: Social change, collective consciousness, and the TM-Sidhi program.". Psychological Reports 76: 1171–1193.	NOT Independent	MIU/MUM profs and/or affiliates
"Meditators Fly for Peace" Press Release (July 25, 2007)	NOT Independent	Org-based press release, self-published
Seven Invincible Countries" Global Good News	NOT Independent	Org-based press release, self-published
"Invincible America Assembly Nears Goal of 2500 Participants" Press Release (February 2008)	NOT Independent	Org-based press release, self-published
PLEASE LEAVE OTHER BLANK CELLS IN PLACE. Thanks :-)

Private Workspace for Compiling Study list (discussion/suggestions)

If you'd like to share ideas on the above table, please add those comments here:

Here's how you proceed

To answer your question on how to proceed, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Littleolive_oil_reported_by_User:Fladrif_.28Result:_.29Fladrif (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Fladrif, that's very helpful to know. A keeper. :-) --Kala Bethere (talk) 19:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Sources

K., thanks for compiling that list of sources. It makes the matter easier to follow and the decisions easier to settle. I agree that there are systemic problems with the articles in this topic. It looks like a further step in dispute resolution may be necessary, such as an WP:RFC/U. It best to go into these processes with clean hands. Thanks also for being patient and civil with other editors.   Will Beback  talk  14:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately I'm afraid with orgs like the TM Org, it appears all of the TM-related entries are plagued by TM true believers who simply collude to create a faux-consensus, effectively blocking any edits but their own. Edit war or a collusion of quiet consensus, whatever you'd like to call it, I cannot see it being likely "outsiders" improve these articles with such interference from entrenched edit warriors.--Kala Bethere (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Please forgive me, but what and who are "TM true believers"? Are they a class of Wiki editors? --BwB (talk) 20:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, I was hoping you could tell me that. How long have you been here BwB?--Kala Bethere (talk) 17:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Kala, the best way to deal with edit warriors is to avoid becoming one yourself. While the results may not be apparent as quickly, taking the high road is most effective in the long term.   Will Beback  talk  20:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

"The high road"? --BwB (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Well I certainly agree with that. I'd rather apply simple common sense in seeing the entries align (in this/these cases) with the applicable rules for independent sourcing. It may also be helpful to consider the ramifications and place of pseudoscience in entry creation. If an article relies strongly on pseudoscience and Vedism (Neo-vedism?), should that not be marked in the categories listed at the page bottom?

A valuable exercise may to be to slowly compile all the WP:FRINGE non-compliant entries, esp. in regards to scientific and pseudoscientific entries, and then see if you can compile a list of the the editors who put them there and see if they are still part of the active editing process on TM-related entries. If it's the same people over and over again, that could be perceived as a deliberate form of editing abuse, no?

What do you do when that happens? Is there a simple way to find original authors of Reference sources?

The upside of all of this even though the non-independent sources would have to go, even an independent review would list many, if not most of the classic TM scientific studies. Thus collaboration could help create a "best of TM research", highlighting their finest attempts, counterbalanced with independent commentaries.--Kala Bethere (talk) 17:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)