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Can someone please edit the article to include it please. It's one of Europe's greatest cities. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.110.161.219|81.110.161.219]] ([[User talk:81.110.161.219|talk]]) 19:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Can someone please edit the article to include it please. It's one of Europe's greatest cities. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.110.161.219|81.110.161.219]] ([[User talk:81.110.161.219|talk]]) 19:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Exact. For '''Marseille''', ''No larger urban zone (LUZ) was defined for this city because the Communauté covers most of the 'economic functional region', as defined by the French concept of 'aire urbaine' and even goes slightly beyond it'' (aire urbaine = '''1 601 095'''<ref>http://www.statistiques-locales.insee.fr/Fiches/RS/AU1999/RS_AU1999003.pdf</ref>). For '''Lille''' : ''The larger urban zone (LUZ) of over 1,1 million inhabitants covers an area of 981 km2, and is based on the French concept of ‘aire urbaine’'' (aire urbaine = '''1 164 716'''<ref>http://www.statistiques-locales.insee.fr/Fiches/RS/AU1999/RS_AU1999004.pdf</ref>). For '''Nice''' : ''No larger urban zone (LUZ) was defined for this city because the Communauté covers most of the 'economic functional region', as defined by the French concept of 'aire urbaine,' and even goes slightly beyond it'' (aire urbaine = '''991 903'''<ref>http://www.statistiques-locales.insee.fr/Fiches/RS/AU1999/RS_AU1999006.pdf</ref>). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.103.239.248|92.103.239.248]] ([[User talk:92.103.239.248|talk]]) 10:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
:Exact. For '''Marseille''', ''No larger urban zone (LUZ) was defined for this city because the Communauté covers most of the 'economic functional region', as defined by the French concept of 'aire urbaine' and even goes slightly beyond it'' (aire urbaine = '''1 601 095'''<ref>http://www.statistiques-locales.insee.fr/Fiches/RS/AU1999/RS_AU1999003.pdf</ref>). For '''Lille''' : ''The larger urban zone (LUZ) of over 1,1 million inhabitants covers an area of 981 km2, and is based on the French concept of ‘aire urbaine’'' (aire urbaine = '''1 164 716'''<ref>http://www.statistiques-locales.insee.fr/Fiches/RS/AU1999/RS_AU1999004.pdf</ref>). For '''Nice''' : ''No larger urban zone (LUZ) was defined for this city because the Communauté covers most of the 'economic functional region', as defined by the French concept of 'aire urbaine,' and even goes slightly beyond it'' (aire urbaine = '''991 903'''<ref>http://www.statistiques-locales.insee.fr/Fiches/RS/AU1999/RS_AU1999006.pdf</ref>). See comments on Urban Audit website. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.103.239.248|92.103.239.248]] ([[User talk:92.103.239.248|talk]]) 10:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Addition of Turkey a Blatant political move
This is a table of Eurozone cities. The inclusion of Turkey has no justification since it does not fall under the juristiction of Eurostat. In fact, this article misrepresents that organisation by implying so. Either you include all candidate states for the EU or none, not just one. This "pro-Turkey in the EU" group that goes around adding Turkey to all EU-related articles is growing rather tiresome.
- Fully agree. All non-EU cities need to be removed.
Ruhr Area
The Urban Audit definition only includes the northern part of the Rhein-Ruhr agglomeration, and excludes Dusseldorf and Koln areas. The 2001 population figure for the Ruhr Area is only 5.36 million. The official definition should be used if we're going to claim this as based on the Urban Audit program. --Polaron | Talk 18:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- I fully agree. I still need to search their database for LUZ that are not typical city agglomorations, eg Randstad, Rhein-Ruhr, etc. I was thinking of putting them into a separate list. JGG 22:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- Either you make a list of largest cities, including only the Parisian municipality, or you make a list of metropolitan areas including the Randstad and the Ruhrarea. Like this it is misleading.
- Admitted - I will change this JGG 09:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Why only cities over 1 million?
Why are only cities with city population above 1 million included here, if it is an metropolitan area list? This way some important cities like Athens (LUZ 3,9 million) or Manchester (LUZ 2,5 million) are missing.
Italian Cities - ONU data
http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/wup2003/2003WUPHighlights.pdf Tabella A-12, PAGINA 130:
Country and agglomeration 2005
ITALY
Milan 4.007.000
"DEMOGRAPHIA-WORLD URBAN AREA" http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf PAGINA 21:
Italy Milan 4,250,000
Estratto da "http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Aree_urbane_pi%C3%B9_popolose_dell%27Unione_Europea"
Milano
Hi,
there is a big mistake about Milan.
the Urban Area of Milan, the real city is of 4.280.000 people. the real city is 1.303.437, the urban area is 3,884,481 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan)
the sprawling, the Metro Area is of 7.400.000 of people, as was for the first time officialy calculated by OECD / OCSE just 3 days ago.
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/14/62/37720067.pdf
OECD Territorial Reviews: Milan, Italy
"Milan is often identified as a prosperous region and an international capital of fashion and design. Once a successful industrial city located in the northern part of Italy, Milan has grown into the core of a wider industrial metropolitan region that is home to more than 7 million people. The OECD Territorial Review of Milan recognises that Milan’s historical skills endowment and its advantageous geographic location could underpin its ambition to become a southern European and Mediterranean capital. At the same time, the Review demonstrates that Milan displays disappointing international performances and seems to have lost part of its long-established drive..."
Stockholm
All sources point out that the city proper of Stockholm has about 788.000 inhabitants, but anyway Polaron does not agree with me and reverts. What can we do about this? Calle Widmann 06:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
- All data here is from the Eurostat database and is harmonized for 2001. Please look at the cited source for the article. --Polaron | Talk 12:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Marseille?
The population of Marseille's urban zone is definitely larger than 1 million, and the city should be somewhere in this list. Marseille has sometimes been considered larger than Lyon. (On the Lyon WP page Marseille is considered the larger pf the two, on the Marseille WP page Lyon is considered the larger.) Anyway, the last census, according to this page, had Marseille's population at "1,605,000 inhabitants in 2007". Something must be wrong. Wahlin —Preceding comment was added at 22:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, Marseille itself has almost 1 million and if we consider all the Urban Area like Berlin or Paris, it's sure that will be larger than Riga and enter in this list. Leonardomio (talk) 08:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Turkey
Why are Turkish cities listed? Turkey isn't a member state of the EU nor EEA. +Hexagon1 (t) 06:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
- It's in the database. --Polaron | Talk 12:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
- We should offer an explanation on the page somewhere. +Hexagon1 (t) 22:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
- Yes there certainly should be, the current edit war is pointless. Turkey is certainly in the database and as such statistics should be included, the other question is about the specific mentioning of Turkey alongside the EU and EFTA at every heading. A better solution would be a short paragraph on the inclusion of other countries and cities outside the EU and EFTA. Please establish a consensus on the specific mentioning of Turkey here so that the edit warring can cease. Mfield (talk) 17:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
- We should offer an explanation on the page somewhere. +Hexagon1 (t) 22:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Much Improved
(IMHO) The latest work on this page represents a major improvement in clarity and purpose. Bravo to all who've helped to improve it. Mapmark (talk) 00:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Population Density
It seems a bit silly to compare urban areas with only 285 inhabitants per sq km with with areas with over 1000 (Napels even over 3000 inhabitants per sq km) For example it lists Stockholm as larger than Brussels, but considers an area 6 times larger then what it considers for Brussels, It gives a totally wrong image. 285 inhabitants per sq km (stockholm) is even less than the population density of the entire country of Belgium; let alone one city. I don't really mind, it's just a list, but you can't compare cities in this list using such different standards. --Lamadude (talk) 14:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Is it real all data in this article?
As far as I know, Badajoz has not got such population. There are few Spanish medium-size cities which are not listed here and they clearly overpass Badajoz. This town is more known as a provincial one, located in Extremadura. How can it pass other Spanish metropolitan areas? Such as Alicante-Elche, Murcia, Asturias, Cádiz, etc... Even Alicante-Elche has got more population in the metropolitan area than Zaragoza, and it is not listed here.
84.120.141.88 (talk) 23:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
The response to this as to most other posts is - please ask the compilers of the Eurostat database. I'm fairly sure Lille and Marseille should be in the list - but they're not. Perhaps someone needs to write a caveat about possible missing urban areas?
Exile (talk) 19:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
"...Eurostat adjusts the LUZ boundaries to administrative boundaries..."
This method makes for example the Rhine-Neckar metropolitan area (Heidelberg, Mannheim, Ludwigshafen) with a population of 2.4 million disappear from the list, just because it stretches over three states. Commuters, however, are indifferent to state boundaries. 95.115.121.32 (talk) 08:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Where is Marseille?!
It has an Urban Area of 1,418,481, and a Metro Area of 1,604,550.
Can someone please edit the article to include it please. It's one of Europe's greatest cities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.161.219 (talk) 19:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Exact. For Marseille, No larger urban zone (LUZ) was defined for this city because the Communauté covers most of the 'economic functional region', as defined by the French concept of 'aire urbaine' and even goes slightly beyond it (aire urbaine = 1 601 095[1]). For Lille : The larger urban zone (LUZ) of over 1,1 million inhabitants covers an area of 981 km2, and is based on the French concept of ‘aire urbaine’ (aire urbaine = 1 164 716[2]). For Nice : No larger urban zone (LUZ) was defined for this city because the Communauté covers most of the 'economic functional region', as defined by the French concept of 'aire urbaine,' and even goes slightly beyond it (aire urbaine = 991 903[3]). See comments on Urban Audit website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.103.239.248 (talk) 10:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)