Talk:Sleep deprivation

Hallucinations caused by Sleep Deprivation

I recently went 2 days with out sleep, as a result I started having hallucinations. I was seeing objects on my wall moving on there own. Then I started to see a green light coming from behind said objects. I was fine at first with it. I mean I went 2 days with out sleep that is very uncommon for my self. Then I the light began too take form as two little kids. They only stood approx. 1 foot tall. Along with that, I saw a rainbow colored light on my curtain and a very big green light on my ceiling. Is this normal with deprivation of sleep? 172.132.200.36 07:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Quite normal. Get more sleep. Zuiram 00:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

There was a period in my life when I stayed up for 48 hours or so every single "day". I've gone on medication since then, thank god. I've never, never had anything like a vivid hallucination. A confused view of the world around me, sure. But what you describe has to be the result of something else. BTW, I've currently been up for... 70 hours and 30 minutes now. Distorted vision, sure. --MQDuck 01:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Stages of sleep deprivation

I was wondering if it would be approapriate to discribe what the stages of total sleep deprivation is in terms of time passed. For example, after 3 days, hallunication may occur.

Microsleep

Microsleep redirects to this page, but there is no direct mention of microsleep outside of the references section. Although microsleep and sleep deprivation are closely related concepts, I'm not convinced they should be the same page. --Keflavich 14:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• I came here looking for information about microsleep, read the entire entry and found nothing to satiate my curiosity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.10.221 (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

• Exactly. Agreed. 72.75.1.209 (talk) 22:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

"Recreation" Section

This section is unsourced and everything in it sounds fishy. I've never heard of this "Creating the World in Seven Days" mess, but then again, ppl who would engage in such hazardous activities are not among my circle of friends. This needs to be either properly sourced or removed. PowderedToastMan 23:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I intend to revive the section less said ' "Creating the World in Seven Days" mess ', and I am considering creating an article on the subject and merging/moving the current article All-nighter into it. Thoughts/consideration on my user talk page :-). Bennyboyz3000 06:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Impairment of ability

It says that people were impaired after only 17-19 hours. I found this disturbing because average adults stay awake that long in a usual day.

And average adults are impaired. They just tend not to realize it til they've gone a while getting proper sleep.

Kody Baker reference

I am unable to find anything on him allegedly going 2.5 month without sleep.

Effects of sleep deprivation

"Lack of sleep may result in [...] Sleep" This is a pretty odd point, how does loss of sleep cause sleep? It causes microsleep, but that article was removed long ago for reasons unknown. 213.187.176.234 09:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

This article REALLY needs to explain the effects of sleep deprivation, like what it does to one's health. --AlexForche (talk) 22:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The article mentions that The Guinness Book of World Records dropped the category due to health risks, but no risks are listed in this article. Rklawton (talk) 00:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Torture

"Sleep deprivation is considered by some to be torture"

Theway this is written it sounds as though this is just the casual opinion of a couple of people. Surely there is a better way of phrasing this. Calgary 17:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

"people experience hallucinations after less than 48 hours without sleep"

RUBBISH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.242.68 (talk) 03:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

By personal experience I agree. --Draco ignoramus sophomoricus (talk) 16:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Me too. It depends on genetic and environmental factors, but some mild psychotic state may generally be noticed before 48 hours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.58.0.39 (talk) 15:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

So what are we going to do about it?

A complete overhaul of our 9 to 5 world would have to occur, and ESPECIALLY of the school system, to change this pattern of nobody getting any sleep. What's being done to get us there? It seems like a far-off dream... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 19:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Effects of Sleep Deprivation on Temperature Homeostasis

Just thought that I should mention this. The more sleep deprived you are, the less I think that your body will be able to withstand the extremes of temperatures (though I'm not sure which way this works worst against the body - for higher temps or lower ones?). Yes, I know, I need to find a citation...

NotACootie (talk) 01:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Having served as a conscript, what I know is after a week or so, with less than three hours of sleep per day, somehow it seems that the cold is not felt. I do not know though if it is because the body regulates or because of the depersonalazation syndrome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Draco ignoramus sophomoricus (talk • contribs) 16:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Separate physiological effects

Some of the physiological effects listed are a result of pulling one or two all-nighters in a row. Others listed are the result of general sleep depravation over time (like getting only 3-4 hours of sleep a night over the course of a few months) I believe that the list should be altered slightly to show this, but I respectfully decline to edit it myself without an account. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.188.113.180 (talk) 09:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Control within relationships

This section has been mostly deleted by anonymous IP addresses, but even the original didn't seem relevant. It offered no information that the Torture section didn't and was generally off-topic. I'm removing what's left of it. --Ueli-PLS (talk) 11:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

citations

i noticed many lying about on this article on the physiological effects part. i looked at 2 citations tht is listed in a sentence above the effects and it does cite most of the effects meaning tht the citation needed tags are not needed. Pro66 (talk) 12:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

• "SleepDep" :
  • {{cite journal | first = | last = | | title =http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Sleep_deprivation?OpenDocument | year = }}
  • * [[lucid dreaming]] (once sleep resumes){{Fact|date=July 2008}} * [[memory]] lapses or loss<ref>[http://www.apa.org/ed/topss/bryanread.html Teachers of Psychology in Secondary Schools<!-- Bot generated title -->]
• "SleepDepReport" :
  • {{cite journal | author = Siri Carpenter | title = Sleep deprivation may be undermining teen health | url = http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct01/sleepteen.html | volume = 32 | issue = 9 | year = 2001}}
  • {{cite journal | first = | last = | | title = http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct01/sleepteen.html| year = }}

DumZiBoT (talk) 11:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Good Article Link

Here's a nice link, but I can't add it, as the article appears to be locked. Maybe someone else can review this link and add it if appropriate. 63.147.189.178 (talk) 22:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• Is Sleep Essential?, An examination of available evidence of whether sleep is a biological necessity.

School-aged children should be getting between 8.5 and 9.25 hours of sleep - can someone rm this for POV

There's a passage in the article:

"School-aged children should be getting between 8.5 and 9.25 hours of sleep"

This is obviously POV, as it basically constitutes advice ("x should y"), and is merely opinion. Wikipedia articles should not be presenting opinion as fact. Can someone axe this for me, due to the semiprotect? Optimally, it would be replaced with a passage that reads something like "<PEER REVIEWED RESEARCH> recommends that humans aged 12-17 years should sleep approximately <X> hours in each 24 hour period <DIRECT CITATION>". Currently, even if the POV "should" construct is replaced with a factual "X recommends Y" construct, the source ('drpaul.com') is woefully inadequate, and provides no proper refs for its data, as far as I can tell. If you are reading this, Latitude0116 ( originator of this passage ), please note that you and those like you are ruining wikipedia for everyone. If you can't adhere to WP:NPOV, don't edit. Thanks. 220.246.211.53 (talk) 16:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Removed it. abarry^✓ 06:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Sleep disorders in patients with Arnold-Chiari malformations

The skull puts pressure on the protruding part of the brain. It is not yet known if the brain malformation is directly related to his sleep deprivation.

This is the ultimate but not proximate cause of sleep disorder in patients with Chiari malformations. The part of the skull near the cerebellar tonsils is too small, forcing the tonsils out of their normal arrangement, usually pushing them into the brainstem. The cause of symtoms is actually brain-on-brain compression. I don't want to go find a source for this, but as a patient post-Chiari decompression, I can personally attest that major sleep disorders may occur if the cerebellar tonsils happen to be contacting the brainstem at the locus of the sleep center. I do not know if this is the case for the disorder in the child discussed, but it's a sufficient and parsimonious explanation. In any case, the ultimate diagnosis of the sleep disorder's cause would not be known certainly until a decompression surgery were performed.

In my case, I was never able to get to sleep until 4 - 6 a.m. This could not be changed even by intentionally skipping a night's sleep and postponing all sleep until the following night: I'd be brutally exhausted, but it would still be morning before I could fall asleep.

When I did fall asleep, I could not be roused for between eight and 12 hours. I also would fall asleep during unhelpful moments, such as while driving at freeway speed (got sideswiped by a trailer) and at my desk at work.

Yes, this is anecdotal, but these symptoms disappeared completely post-surgically. I am, however, still unwilling to introduce this information into the article without a proper citation, as I know nothing about the particular case discussed. If someone has a neurology textbook and more details of the case, you may be able to vet this, cautiously. Joshua McGee (talk) 11:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

New info for effects on the brain section and sources for psychosis-like symptoms bullet

2007 study linking sleep deprivation to psychiatric disorders:
Seung-Schik Yoo, Ninad Gujar, Peter Hu, Ferenc A. Jolesz, and Matthew P. Walker
Current Biology, Vol 17, R877-R878, 23 October 2007
-Web Abstract: http://www.current-biology.com/content/article/abstract?uid=PIIS0960982207017836&highlight=Walker

Other articles based on the study:
http://ts-si.org/content/view/2634/992/
http://sleep.health.am/sleep/more/sleep-deprivation-causes-an-emotional-brain-disconnect/
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15166/1066/
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/86512.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-10/cp-sca101707.php

Someone please add this information to the article if possible. Thanks.

Luci (talk) 12:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hyper or hypo

This line under Effect on Growth: The results supported previous studies, which observed adrenal insufficiency in idiopathic hypersomnia. Hypersomnia seems to be excessive hours of sleep and daytime sleepiness. Should it be "hyposomnia"? Anthony (talk) 16:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Fraternity/Sorority Hazing and Sleep Deprivation

A common form of hazing performed by fraternities and sororities is sleep deprivation. This seems noteworthy enough to include. I'm willing to guess that most people who have had an experience with sleep deprivation did so during a fraternity or sorority hazing activity.

http://www.hazingstudy.org/ http://www.stophazing.org/definition.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rotellam1 (talk • contribs) 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Physiological Effects

• Can an admin unlock this page or edit in the section of "Physiological Effects" from

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sleep_deprivation&oldid=272140363 The information got lost in the edit warring. Those physical symptoms are well know by anyone experiencing sleep deprivation for more than a weekend. Most of the "citation needed" can easily be found by searches.

• From See also

Also suggest removal of the touch the truck link. It serves very limited information on the subject and reads more as advertising attempt about a tv station promotional contest. Rklawton (talk) 17:29, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

torture of imprisonment victims

This article needs some mention of sleep deprivation used to torture victims of imprisonment. I believe that is the most widely used intentional application of sleep deprivation. I don't know where to find documentation of this suitable for publication here, but I have some clues:

• I saw a documentary that mentioned a 1600's swedish prison schedule that had the prisoners being awakened at 4 AM for breakfast and then being allowed to sleep at about 11 or 12 PM, leaving only a few hours of sleep on a prolonged basis. That's the oldest mention I know of off the top of my head of institutionalized torture using sleep deprivation.

• In modern imprisonment facilities, the same thing occurs as in the ancient swedish prison schedule: only a few hours each day are scheduled for prisoner sleep. In addition to the ancient methods, modern prisons also institute regular "head counts" where a prisoner is required to rise from bed and state his name to passing guards.

• Bed checks, cell checks, or just "the rounds" are where a guard is sent to personally look into prisoner cells every 5 to 20 minutes. This is done 24 hours a day, and guards frequently kick and rattle or slam the doors, yell at prisoners, yell to each other, sing songs, or otherwise interrupt a prisoner's already short sleep period.

• Unnaturally hard beds, harder than even earth or wild grasses, keeps prisoners from sleeping due to discomfort.

• Keeping prisoners irritable enlivens boring prison jobs and gives riot suppression teams something to do when prisoners lose the ability to think clearly and make good judgements, which often turns ordinary people into potentially violent ones.

• Prisoners who are already mentally ill go from being public nuisances to being raving loonies while deprived of sleep in the prisons. Even ordinary people will begin to hallucinate, leading to charges of insubordination or other misbehavior that the victim would not do without being sleep deprived.

• Permanent brain damage causes personality changes universally perceived as negative by those close to imprisonment survivors. Subsequent health problems, including psychological issues like PTSD and depression, are considered contributing factors of recidivism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.169.54.203 (talk) 23:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Interesting articles that can be cited

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090608071941.htm

According to new research presented at Sleep 2009, the 23rd Annual Meeting of the Associated Professional Sleep Societies,* television watching may be an important determinant of bedtime, and may contribute to chronic sleep debt.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6081-television-watching-may-hasten-puberty.html

Scientists at the University of Florence in Italy found that when youngsters were deprived of their TV sets, computers and video games, their melatonin production increased by an average 30 per cent.

Talgalili (talk) 20:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Editorial Tone

With the British Court ruling today on MI-5's use of sleep deprivation, perhaps it would be a good time to revisit the torture section of this article. It seems to have a very dove-ish tone to it, and there are, at least, some weasel words in there. The ruling will likely bring in an influx of users who want to know if SP is torture or not, so you might have an edit war break out if it doesn't get cleaned up.

It'd also be a good idea to get some US-related info, since the issue at hand originated there. I'm at work, so I don't really have time for it at the moment, unfortunately. I have made a couple of edits, though, to remove some weasel words and add the case info.

SuperJerms (talk) 14:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

you need to define what amount of time constitutes chronic sleep deprivation...

is it consistently getting less than 3 hours of sleep per night, less than 4, than 5, than 6, than 7, or what? What is the clinical definition. Thank you. 82.113.121.167 (talk) 11:09, 13 March 2010 (UTC)