User talk:Jimbo Wales

NOTE: There are many discussions going on here that would probably be more productive over at commons. If you're interested in commons policy, the best way to influence it is to participate at commons. :-) Let's gradually (no need to dramatically shut things down here) try to migrate discussions of commons over to commons.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

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unban from Meta

If i can't get unbanned from Wikiversity, would you at least unban me from Meta? EME44 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC).

Appealing to me would not be the right thing to do. :-) --Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		This is for recognizing what many people do not: that the User name space is part of the encyclopedia too, and thus editing any user pages are justifiable. Ojay123 (Talk•E-Mail•Contribs•Sandbox)(Respond on my talk page! 22:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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WP:NPOV is in danger(de.wiki)--89.183.116.241 (talk) 10:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Commons conversations

Sorry to be so firm, but I'm going to ask that commons conversations please take place on commons.  :-) --Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:07, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

That's not as simple, because your commons talk page is locked for IPs. Perhaps you want to transfer it? Here's the link Regards 78.55.160.216 (talk) 17:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Now you know

Now you know the problems of too much unwarranted trust. Putting a project like this in the hands of children. Allowing anyone, even child porn lovers to freely edit. The problems and your current situation and frustration all come from the anarchy you intentionally included in this monster when you created it. Neglected rule 1: Trust should not be freely granted, it should be earned. Permissiveness does not lead to greater responsibility. Neglected Rule #2: Karma. What you sow, you reap. If you put values in place that are entirely amoral and then promote people who espouse those amoral values, you will get it back. --Blue Tie (talk) 20:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Lol. Nice troll. --Cyclopia^talk 21:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

(ec) That argument is faulty on both fronts. First of all, those sorts of people crop up no matter what you do. "Child porn lovers" will always be around, unfortunately, and they are blocked if they start uploading it here. Even the definition of child porn is blurry, we have the original cover of Virgin Killer on that page (my uncle has the original version, I love that album). As for the second argument, appealing to "morals" is the weakest possible argument to make, because everyone's morals are different. What's "amoral" to someone like you is probably perfectly fine by me. I can look at images of torture victims, concentration camps, and terrorist attacks without batting an eye- I certainly don't endorse those things, but how is one to understand the horror behind them without seeing them? Besides, whose "morals" should we be following? Yours, mine, Jimbo's? As soon as you start trying to eliminate things that are offensive, it becomes impossible to draw the line. Some people (like myself) are not offended by any images currently up- I may not particuarly enjoy looking at some of these images, but I'm fine with them if they are serving some encyclopedic purpose. Not knowing where the line is would be far more dangerous than having a few images you personally disagree with, which is why we're trying to sort out where the line is now. The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk) 21:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

To reiterate what I've said elsewhere: "child porn lovers", as well as drug dealers, murderers, and so on, should be free to edit Wikipedia if they are contributing in a way compliant with policy, and are not using the project as a platform to push their agenda or their sense of morality. I know of at least one case where a jail adopted a program allowing inmates to edit. There is not and should be no "good citizen" requirement to be a Wikipedian. Dcoetzee 22:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Since this thread appears to have popped up at WR, let me just clarify my intention: People who upload illegal child pornography, or who pursue relationships with underage editors, should be banned and reported to law enforcement. Users who push an agenda should be blocked or topic-banned. We have the ability here to watch a contributor's every move, and we should use it. I'm simply not willing to block people from editing, say, articles on mathematics or entomology on the basis of off-wiki amoral behavior. Dcoetzee 03:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Freedom and equality are not amoral virtues. They are the foundation of our civilization. If you make a world where people can't edit a free encyclopedia without some official from the Ministry of Propaganda to command them, you'll have a world where rape is routine and woe to the woman who gripes about it. Wnt (talk) 01:32, 19 May 2010 (UTC)