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Shouldn't the USA list around 100%?

After backing out the Native American population (less than 10%, I believe) shouldn't all current citizens be counted as immigrants? Does this table only mean "recent" imigrants? Nearly everyone in America today traces their ancestry to Europe, Africa, Asia, et cetera? Does anyone else see it this way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.40.160.154 (talk) 11:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you really serious? Immigrant is a person who lives in a country where the person was not born. If you are born in the Unites States, you are not an immigrant, but an American.

Most countries have experienced immigration waves going back thousands of years, it would be near impossible to define the exact original native population as a percentage, you could only arrive at a rough estimate. What exactly is a Native American, all the waves of colonists from the siberian-alaska land bridge or only the first wave, pure blooded Native Americans or mixed blooded. Perhaps, you would define a Native American as having certain racial characteristics but if you applied that same logic to the United Kingdom, for example, you may decide that only people with red hair and green eyes or people with blood type O are true natives and the rest are immigrants. It would be very controversial and again nearly impossible to arrive at anything other than a rough estimate of numbers. All countries, regardless of their current policies on immigration, would be found to have around 90 to 100 percent immigrant population, except perhaps Iceland. If, you want exact percentages you have to limit yourself to recent history.

Please, go to school. Opinoso (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UAE

How do immigrants in UAE make up more than 100 % of the population? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.88.37 (talk • contribs)

Good catch, Koavf added those columns by hand from this source. Probably a typo. --Van helsing 08:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong signs

I'm thinking all of the higher than signs (>) in the Percentage of total number of immigrants in the world column, should be lower than signs (<).

Ex. Nepal: (819000/186579300)*100= 0.44, thus <0.5%. Matthijs Triep 04:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting errors

The table sorts alphabetically, not numerically (1000 is ranked lower than 9, because the first digit is lower). I've tried to play about with the code along the lines described in Help:Sorting, but without success. Can anyone help? Matt 07:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First, it's not really CSS… You just have to know how this specific javascript sorting code works. Unfortunately, Help:Sorting is a copy of Meta page and it describes heavily modified Meta version of sorting script (I'm trying to fix that).

The most important thing is: whenever you click on the sorting icon, the script looks at the first non-empty cell which is on top at the moment, if it's a number then the whole column will be sorted numerically. So the solution is to remove "-" in the Western Sahara row (leaving empty cells).

Unfortunately I'm not sure what could be done for the the 4th column ("Percentage of total number"), it seems like you can't keep < and still sort it correctly ∴ Alex Smotrov 15:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've fixed the sorting problems now. The table used the SMS template inappropriately and aligned at the decimal point in a way that made proper sorting impossible. --EnOreg (talk) 05:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well it was actually I that fixed the sorting problems, but didnt make a notice about it here. When I added the template sms in column 5 (former 4) "Percentage..." it sorted ok. Now when you have deleted the sms it does not sort correctly anylonger. Test it yourself by pressing the sorting button twice. USA should be at top with 20.56 but now Russia is at top with 6.474! Could you please explain what kind of sorting problems you experienced in column 5 that made you delete the sms?

And I also aligned the decimal point (talk) in column 6 "Immigrants..." to make the numbers more easily readable. Now you have deleted it because of "sorting problem". Could you please explain this sorting problem in more detail? It could be a browser problem. I am using Internet Explorer 7, which are you using? In my edit [1] all columns sorted perfectly except column 1 "Rank" which I saw you fixed. Najro (talk) 13:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Najro, wow, you're right, in column 5 I did create the problem I thought I solved! Strange that I didn't notice yesterday. Sorry about that, I'll revert this change. (Needs to be done manually. :-( )

In column 6, however, the sorting does not work for me (1, 10, 2, ...) with the previous version and it does work now. I use Firefox 2.0.0.14. Cheers, --EnOreg (talk) 00:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Immigrants to Sweden

I dont know how many precent of the swedish population is from other countries but its definetly NOT 12/100.(maybe, if you count finland-sweden immegrants? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.233.10.135 (talk) 18:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

South Africa

--Bezuidenhout (talk)I think south africa is a bit out of date as there are officialy at least 3 million immigrants from zimbabwe alone(bbc) and there are deffinatley more from mozambique. —Preceding comment was added at 15:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Spot on B. During the 2001 census I interviewed my domestic servant who said she was born in SA. Later I found out she in fact comes from Zimbabwe and was fearful of being sent back. So unless Stats SA and the UN did a good job (doubtful), there is bound to be massive under reporting. I think the Economist reported that a Zimbabwean makes 6 times more and has much greater political freedom in SA than back home. So SA should be much much higher on this list than other countries where the pressures are not as great. -- Nic Roets (talk) 19:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

During to the 2001 census, approximately 1 million people reported that they were not born in SA. [2] -- Nic Roets (talk) 11:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan

What about Taiwan? It has a non-gray color on the map, but isn't listed in the table. If it should be counted under China, then we should say so. 71.131.194.193 (talk) 20:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dominican Republic

I find it awfully hard to believe that there are only 156,000 immigrants in the Dominican Republic. There must be more than that from Haiti alone. Funnyhat (talk) 05:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL ofcourse,haitians in the DR are about 1 million,there a lots and lots of asians(mostly chinese) and there's a pretty big ammount of Southamericans--BoricuaPR (talk) 03:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Discussion

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 11:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Australia

Why is Australia marked with the colour for 10-20% and not 20-50%? The percentage of Australian's born overseas is 25%, as given by on the following Australian government website (from 2008): http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/15population.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denkealsobin (talk • contribs) 23:55, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

One reason is that the article needs to compare numbers from the same year. The UN report gives numbers from 2006, not 2008. According to the report, Australias population in 2006 was 20.3 million compared with 21.4 million according to your source for 2008.

In any case, whenever you update facts please reference your source in the article.

I'm not sure what to do here. I don't see a methodological difference in the two sources and it seems implausible that the population and immigration grew this steeply within two years. Are there other reliable sources? --EnOreg (talk) 13:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no discrepancy. The Australian Bureau of Statistics confirms a growth rate of 2.1% per annum: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3101.0

Using a pocket calculator, growth from 20.3 to 21.4 in two years is reasonable at this rate. Thus, no discrepancy. Denkealsobin (talk) 17:04, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Monaco

Most articles on Wikipedia (e.g. the ones for Monaco, Demographics of Monaco etc) state that only 15-16% of the population are native Monegasques. This article presents a much larger number. Any reasons for the discrepancy?Avman89 (talk) 19:14, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article says that, based on UN numbers, 70.11% of the residents of Monaco was born outside the country. So 30 % was born inside the country. The difference between 15% and 30% can be due to a number of factors, including definition (does being born in Monaco make you Monegasque ?), how the number was obtained (interview a statistical sample like a census vs. official government records) and base year combined with extrapolation. To be within 15% is quite good, considering how open the borders are and how little resources will be allocated to researching the demographics of such a small country. -- Nic Roets (talk) 21:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Canada

Canada has a population of only about 34 000 000 people, but we are listed as having 38 000 000 immigrants. It also says that those 38 mil. are 12.81% of the country's population which would make Canada's population 300 million.

Yours trully Railroader 96 20:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

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 Most articles on Wikipedia (e.g. the ones for Monaco, Demographics of Monaco etc) state that only 15-16% of the population are native Monegasques. This article presents a much larger number. Any reasons for the discrepancy?[[User:Avman89|Avman89]] ([[User talk:Avman89|talk]]) 19:14, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 : This article says that, based on UN numbers, 70.11% of the residents of Monaco was born outside the country. So 30 % was born inside the country. The difference between 15% and 30% can be due to a number of factors, including definition (does being born in Monaco make you Monegasque ?), how the number was obtained (interview a statistical sample like a census vs. official government records) and base year combined with extrapolation. To be within 15% is quite good, considering how open the borders are and how little resources will be allocated to researching the demographics of such a small country. -- [[User:Nroets|Nic Roets]] ([[User talk:Nroets|talk]]) 21:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
+== Canada ==
+Canada has a population of only about 34 000 000 people, but we are listed as having 38 000 000 immigrants. It also says that those 38 mil. are 12.81% of the country's population which would make Canada's population 300 million.
+Yours trully Railroader 96 20:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)