Talk:Minolta A-mount system

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 01:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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Minolta Dynax → Minolta AF — Minolta AF is NPOV, and not Eurocentric, unlike Minolta Dynax ChristopherBorcsok 18:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

Survey - Support votes

1. Support - See proposal above. ChristopherBorcsok 18:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
2. Support - Move, see above. Innox 19:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
3. Support - See above, not great but better. Shaocaholica 23:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
4. Support - Minolta AF is a better description as the first two cameras (at least) were not called Dynax 62.25.106.209 14:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Survey - Oppose votes

1. Oppose; is the system actually officially called "Minola AF" anywhere?- or at least referred to by that name more than it is referred to via the three official names? See "discussion" below. Fourohfour 14:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh well, move it then; it's not something I feel strongly about. I simply wanted to avoid moving to a made-up (or rarely-used/unofficial) name simply for the sake of neutrality. It seems that there's a plausible case for moving it. Fourohfour 15:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Add any additional comments:

1. I don't believe that the lack of a worldwide title would be sufficient reason to name an article after a neologism or a rarely-used unofficial name. Would "colur" be a good article name, given the lack of worldwide spelling for color/colour? The redirect system provides for these cases, and all three names are clearly given at the top of the article. Fourohfour 14:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
2. Does "Minolta AF" refer to the whole system, or the lens mount? I thought this article was about the whole system. Fourohfour 14:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

"Minolta AF" is generally used worldwide to refer to the whole system. For example, 3rd party lens makers Tamron and Sigma each use "for Minolta AF" to refer to their lenses that are built for the mount. The difficulty spans in that the the camera bodies were branded differently in the various geographic regions (Maxxum, Dynax, Alpha), but the lenses (with a few expectations, ie the STF lens, since it is a manual focus only lens) are all branded as "AF xx". The technical name for the Lens Mount is "Minolta A-type bayonet mount". The reason for emphasis on the Minolta AF name is that the Minolta AF system was the first camera system to feature complete Autofocus. From a branding point of view, it succeeded the Minolta MC and MD mounts, and competes with the Nikon F, Canon EF, and Pentax K. Additionally, a simple googling of "Minolta AF" (in quotes) should alleviate the doubt of the use of the term. ChristopherBorcsok 20:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

1. My early Minolta Autofocus camera is titled as a Minolta 5000 AF - so that is Minolta and AF used in the same product description...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.25.106.209 (talk • contribs).

Sure, but was 'AF' the name of the system, or was '5000AF' simply the name of the camera? Anyway, although I don't accept that as the best argument for moving the article, I'll raise no objections if it's moved to Minolta AF now. As I said, you'll have to get an admin to remove the existing Minolta AF article first though. Fourohfour 15:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

List of bodies

format is [American Name (European Name)]

• Maxxum 3xi (Dynax 3xi)
• ? (Dynax 300si)
• Maxxum QTsi (Dynax 303si)

• Maxxum 4 (Dynax 4)
• Maxxum 40 (Dynax 40)
• Maxxum 400si (Dynax 500si)
• Maxxum STsi (Dynax 404si)

• Maxxum 5 (Dynax 5)
• Maxxum 5xi (Dynax 5xi)
• Maxxum HTsi (Dynax 505si)
• Maxxum 500si (Dynax 500si Super)
• Maxxum XTsi (Dynax 505si Super)
• Maxxum 5000 (AF 5000)
• Maxxum 5000i (Dynax 5000i)
• Maxxum 5D (Dynax 5D)

• Maxxum 60 (Dynax 60)
• Maxxum 600si Classic (Dynax 600si Classic)

• Maxxum 7 (Dynax 7)
• Maxxum 7xi (Dynax 7xi)
• Maxxum 700si (Dynax 700si)
• Maxxum 7000 (AF 7000)
• Maxxum 7000i (Dynax 7000i)
• Maxxum 7D (Dynax 7D)

• Maxxum 800si (Dynax 800si)
• Maxxum 8000i (Dynax 8000i)

• Maxxum 9 (Dynax 9)
• Maxxum 9xi (Dynax 9xi)
• Maxxum 9000 (AF 9000)

Excellent source for film cameras: http://www.photozone.de/2Equipment/minoltacamera.htm (Sloman 19:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC))

We're missing a few

e.g. 505si. Anywhere with a definitive list? Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 20:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Never mind adding more, how about adding something about the ones there already? - A lot of this article is empty stubs. 87.113.66.70 (talk) 03:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Minolta Dynax name and regional discrepancies

alpha/Maxxum/Dynax oddity

The whole problem with the Maxxum/alpha/Dynax branding stems from the fact that Minolta were not decided on a name of the whole system. Thus, Minolta dubbed the mount 'A' and the flashes were marketed as Maxxum/alpha flashes in America/Japan respecitvely.

When Minolta released the 7000i in 1989, they finally decided on a name of the system, 'Dynax,' under which it was to be marketed worldwide, but since names such as 'Minolta Maxxum Dynax 7000i' or "Minolta Dynax a-7000i' would have been unwieldy, they decided otherwise and marketed the system under three different names (Dynax, Maxxum and alpha).

As a result, the system did not receive a name. Unlike Canon, which started branding their cameras as 'EOS' right from the start, but not unlike Nikon or Pentax, which were simply continuations of manual focus systems.

Differences between bodies across regions

As for the differences between the bodies in various regions, it goes much deeper. For example, IIRC, most companies did not include (or disabled) AF confirmation beep in the bodies released in USA because of patent issues. Some models were differently specified and were not directly comparable, and were available in different versions (colour being the most obvious) depending on region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.153.194.14 (talk) 15:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

3rd party lenses

ISTR there were many 3rd party lenses available, Vivitar being one of the more common. Tabby (talk) 18:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Patent infringement?

"after Konica Minolta was sued by Hewlett-Packard for patent infringement" -- never heard of this. Google gives nothing. What's that about?