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Dogma (band)

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Band that appears to have made little impact in the media, One release only (dec 2009), no awards, significant reviews, books, biographical news articles or other things I can find from reliable sources. The only link given on this, and our sister wiki's, article is the band's website. Peripitus (Talk) 04:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

• Speedy delete under A7. I can't find anything that would make this notable. --Falcon Darkstar Momot (talk) 06:18, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
• Delete (but not speedy) per WP:MUSICBIO. I'm not even sure there's a such genre as "progressive ethnic metal." Erpert (let's talk about it) 06:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
• Keep Although the article is in a sorry state at the moment (poorly written and completely unreferenced), a google search of the band indicates some notability. For example, there's an entry of them on last.fm (a major internet-radio) http://www.last.fm/music/Dogma+(Armenian+Rock+Band) ; there's an entry on them on http://www.armenianpulse.com/artists/dogma/ ; this webpage indicates cooperation between Dogma and Jethro Tull (a world-famous band) http://www.j-tull.com/tourdates/index.html ; there's an entry about them on http://www.rocktheborders.com/directory.html . I am aware that none of these sources are PERFECT according to the strictest implementation of the notability guidelines, yet all of them combined should in my opinion be more than enough for a not-particularly-controversial article. DubZog (talk) 13:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
• Delete Last-fm is user generated content. www.armenianpulse.com appears to be a blog review site not sure if it's of any use. Being a guest or support act doesn't indicate notability. http://www.rocktheborders.com/ questionable reliability and not significant content. If those are the best that can be found then notability is not established. --neon white talk 15:22, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

• the following information is available on the www.armenianpulse.com website:

Contributing Writers: We have several independent or freelance writers working at Armenian Pulse, :including contributing writers from other sites.

Editor in Chief: Harout Kalandjian

Senior Writer: Ruth Power

Staff Writer: Elliott Hale Carrington

Contributing Writers: Paul Chaderjian, Liana Aghajanian, Vasken Aramian

as long as no-one has a justified reason to doubt this information, www.armenianpulse.com should be treated as a trustable review site, and not a "blog", as the content is provided by a variety of editors with centralized organization and control.

Also, if you carefully read Jethro Tull's website, Dogma was not a guest or support act, but rather some members of it performed together with Jethro Tull (i.e. were on stage at the same time).

Similarly, http://www.rocktheborders.com is a review site with multiple editors, so it's reliability should only be questioned if there's good cause to do so. Articles about Rock bands on wikipedia aren't in general "sensitive topics" with high potential for fraud so we shouldn't immediately assume that independent third-party sites might intentionally provide misinformation. Also, I strongly disagree with the "no significant content" claim with regards to Dogma's entry on rocktheborders. Hence, I believe, that if those are the best that can be found, notability IS established. DubZog (talk) 15:55, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Reliability must be established not assumed. Same goes for notability. All articles on wikipedia are required to establish notability and use verifiable sources. www.rocktheborders.com only contains a single paragraph within what appears to be a directory, this isn't considered significant coverage and i see no evidence that the site is of any standing or peer reviewed, half to site isn't even complete and hasn't been updated since 2008. I'd suggest the site is likely defunct. --neon white talk 22:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)