Talk:Present absentee

This article needs expansion that discusses present-day issues of the internally displaced, movements and organizations advocating for their rights and Israeli policy positions vis a vis the internally displaced today. Those with knowledge of the issue are encouraged to contribute. Tiamut 10:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Descendants

Aren't we missing a source pointing to international law that says people can inherit the "internally displaced" status over generations? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 15:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

No. We have sources from organizations that work with IDPs who include their descendants in the count. That's enough. And by the way, are you checking my contribs now? Because I don't remember ever having seen you at this article before and its not the most common place to end up on your own. Tiamut^talk 15:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

No, I think jumping to the conclusion that descendants are legally IDPs because an advocacy group counts them as such is OR. How can you be displaced from somewhere you never lived?

I arrived here from the 1948 Arab-Israeli War page. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

In the past 53 years, this groups of internally displaced Palestinians has grown to number some 250,000 persons The Palestine Yearbook of International Law 2000-2001
Children of "absentees", whether born inside or outside of the State of Israel, are similarly classified as "absentees" Citizenship and the state discussing "present absentees" under Israeli law.
What is OR is for you to come here with your own theory, "How can you be displaced from somewhere you never lived?", and question the definition used by organizations that specialize in dealing with internal displaced persons without a source backing you up. nableezy - 00:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Without going into the validity of the source you posted above, it does not appear in the aritcle, does it? The article only uses Tom Segev (a RS about what Tom Segev thinks maybe), Badil, an advocacy group, and Internal Displacement Monitoring Center, which uses Badil as a source.

This article does not quote the "definition used by organizations that specialize in dealing with internal displaced persons" like you're trying to imply, it assumes something based on one advocacy group counting decendants.

It is certainly not OR for me to question the validity of the sources or conclusions of an article, and what you call my "theory" was just an appeal to common sense. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 10:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't assume anything. I read the material from the IDP organizations. It was clear their figures included descendants. Thanks to Nableezy, we have additional sources confirming that. I've included them in the article so your work here is now done. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 15:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

When you say "IDP organizations" you mean advocacy groups, right? Specifically Badil?

Also, Nableezy's quote doesn't say who classifies these people as "absentees". And this without going into whether Uri Davis is a RS or not. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 16:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any sources to bring to this discussion?

For example, do you have a source that suggests that the children of absentees are not in fact absentees?

The sources we do have indicate that they are. If you are simply proferring your opinion that the definitions we have are inaccurate without any scholarship to support your position, this conversation is of little use. Tiamut^talk 17:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

The source I provided says according to the government of Israel descendants of "present absentees" are classified as such. nableezy - 15:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

How does your source refer to Salim Joubran? Internally Displaced Justice of the Supreme Court of Israel? What about Arab Knesset Members: Internally Displaced Members of the Israel Knesset? What about the Arab Parties they form? The Arab Cabinet Ministers? Their right to vote?

If any "forced evictions" were actually HAPPENING, don't you think Joubran would excercize his right to quash any such eviction orders on appeal, as being violations of Section 7. of Israel's Basic Law:

Section 7 Privacy

(a) All persons have the right to privacy and to intimacy.

(b) There shall be no entry into the private premises of a person who has not consented thereto.

(c) No search shall be conducted on the private premises or body of a person, nor in the body or belongings of a person.

(d) There shall be no violation of the secrecy of the spoken utterances, writings or records of a person.

With all these rights, and an Palestinian on the Supreme Court with the power to enforce them, either Salim's asleep at the wheel, or these people just plain aren't "internally displaced" as you claim. (And on the off chance they are, vote for a diferent party next election! Politicians lie everywhere! :-) ) 16:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)