Talk:Football records and statistics in Spain

Expansion

Some records need to be added, for example, I have just linked from Lionel Messi's article to here for the youngest La Liga appearance and scorer (records which now belong to Bojan Krkić I believe). Can anyone dig up the sources for this? I think this article/list could become very interesting and well sourced. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 18:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The Intercities Fairs Cup victories

The pages "Football records in England" and "Football records in Italy" include the victories of this cup (forerunner of the Uefa Cup, now Europa League). So also this page has to include them (Barcelona 3 victories, Valencia 2, Real Zaragoza 1). Physiology, 16:25 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I have include the fairs cup in the article, its an FIFA official competition (Congress of London in 1955), you can to verify this in official site of Real Zaragoza and Valencia CF (honours) and in FCB web in the in the paragraph of news, If someone needs sources I will incluire the pertinent links.--Sporting1905 (talk) 01:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Copa Eva Duarte is the forerunner to the Spanish SuperCup, it was organized by Real Federacion Española de Fútbol, its an official title. The trophy was given by Eva Duarte Perón and and of there it name.--Sporting1905 (talk) 01:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

They are not official ( see UEFA.com and LFP.es). --KSA^connect 01:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Fairs Cup isn't UEFA competition but is an official competition:

uefa.com: [1]: "Los dos equipos sólo se han enfrentado en una ocasión en competición oficial, en la primera ronda de la Copa de Ferias ..."

LFP: [2]: FCB Palmarés (Honours); 3 Copas de la UEFA: 1958,1960,1966 (Fairs Cup)

Two primary sources! --Sporting1905 (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

All you need, when you speak about Spanish Football, is Barcelona, not Real Madrid, because "El Barça es mes que un club". So in the Barcelona palmares is "The Fairs Cup", that it was more than an "unofficial Uefa competition".

I love Barça jerseys more than Ibrahimovic and I have a message for the Real Madrid fans. We must break the ass to you!!! Physiology, 09:25, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The UEFA Intertoto Cup

And then (for KSA) you must insert the UEFA Intertoto Cup victories in the table, because it was an official UEFA compeetition. When the Fairs Cup started the UEFA did not enter in the project for 16 years (from 1955 to 1971). The trophy was consigned to the winning teams by the FIFA President of that period (Sir Stanley Rous). Physiology 14:40, 09 August 2009 (UTC)

Yah, I also think about that, but maybe it was one of tournament for qualifying to UEFA Cup.--KSA^connect 07:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the Intertoto Cup was a summer tournament, could you explain it to Dante Peruvian?

From RFEF statutes

• According to Tit. VI, chapter. II, section 1, art. 29 bis, paragraph 1, pag.19 of RFEF statutes, RFEF, the governing body of football in Spain ONLY recognise as "official football tournaments" at national level:
  

1. Los Campeonatos Nacionales de Liga de Primera, Segunda, Segunda B y Tercera División (Spanish Football Championships from First to Third Divition).
2. El Campeonato de España/Copa de S.M. el Rey (Spanish Cup).
3. La Supercopa (Spanish Super Cup).
4. La Copa RFEF (Spanish League Cup).

Also, the entity recognise official UEFA and FIFA competitions as equivalent to "statal championships".

Where is included in that document the Fairs Cup as "official" competition?

As Fairs Cups is not an UEFA club competicion, RFEF not recognise Fairs Cup as "official" cup, sorry...--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 00:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

In fact, we are speaking of a competition recognized by FIFA, not by UEFA. We explained it at least one hundred times. I don't think you don't understand: more probably, you are only a troll. --79.45.155.132 (talk) 01:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Is not a FIFA competition. The fifa's jurisdiction is world-wide like Europe is the UEFA's jurisdiction and Spain = RFEF.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 00:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

To IPs see UEFA Cup: All-time finals - UEFA.com

Fairs Cup

‘‘The UEFA Cup replaced the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup in the 1971/72 season. The list of finals from that competition are listed below, but please note that the Fairs Cup is not considered a UEFA competition, and hence clubs' records in the Fairs Cup are not considered part of their European record.’’

NOTE: The Inter-Cities Fairs Cup also took place from 1955 to 1971 but not as an official UEFA competition.

Good luck.KSA^connect 10:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

In fact, we always spoke about FIFA website, not UEFA website. YOU are a vulgar vandal, WE use official and precise sources. We all know that Fairs wasn't UEFA's: it is evidently recognized by FIFA on the principle of its interventation in its organization (the situation is very similar, speaking of UEFA instead of FIFA, of the Toyota Cup). And, LPF reflects FIFA statements. --79.54.157.81 (talk) 10:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

So you depend on that point only which make all you edits based on personal research, simply Fairs cup is a comp. played in Europe which European teams (some teams are represent their city) so how can it be International trophy by FIFA (FIFA doesn't say it was official also, UEFA says : Fairs Cup are not considered part of their European record.KSA^connect 12:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

We all know that Fairs Cup was not a UEFA competition, nobody is saying this. We are speaking about FIFA sources, because Fairs Cup was organized by a committee involving FIFA (in fact, the cup was given by FIFA President).--95.237.154.148 (talk) 23:47, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

But it also was not a FIFA competition like Latin Cup, and you source doesn't include any sentence speak about it . And if it official as your idea, thin many competitions like Fairs Cup will be official. Fianal thing that FIFA recognize the "official competition" in international level only not continent as what Mr.Dantetheperuvian said in this talk that RFEF, the governing body of football in Spain ONLY recognise as "official football tournaments" at national level:

1. Los Campeonatos Nacionales de Liga de Primera, Segunda, Segunda B y Tercera División (Spanish Football Championships from First to Third Divition).
2. El Campeonato de España/Copa de S.M. el Rey (Spanish Cup).
3. La Supercopa (Spanish Super Cup).
4. La Copa RFEF (Spanish League Cup).

Also, the entity recognise official UEFA and FIFA competitions as equivalent to "statal championships". And please stop trying to make your idea is correct only, while ignoring the rest of the official source.KSA^connect 07:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The parallelism with Latin Cup is completely uncorrect. Latin Cup was organized by four national associations (RFEF, FFF, FIGC and FPF), while FIFA was completely excluded. We never said that Fairs Cup was official because RFEF said so, we are saying that RFEF (as UEFA and FIGC in other sources) says that Fairs was official because it reflects FIFA position. No problem agreeing with your position when you will find an official FIFA source saying that Fairs was a friendly competition. --95.237.152.169 (talk) 10:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Your source of FIFA does not show what you type here as Fairs Cup was official that the opposite UEFA, which shows it explicitly said that the tournament is not considered an official tournament or even within the European competition.KSA^connect 10:41, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

You lie. UEFA says Fairs was an official competition (Look news on 13 de enero de 2009); then, certainly it says that Fairs was not its own competition, because it was organized by a committee involving FIFA (and, by the way, in later Sixties the entrance criteria were based on official national league standings). In fact, FIFA gives to Barça its Fairs honours.
Have you got an official source confirming what you say, that Fairs Cup was a friendly competition? --95.236.155.239 (talk) 14:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Be polite while you talking, look at Fairs Cup article to know more. Also see FIFA.com to know that your only sources not represent FIFA under the map.

‘‘The list of clubs or the opinions expressed in the articles do not necessarily represent the views of FIFA, unless expressly stated otherwise.’’
and you spanish uefa link doesn't work.KSA^connect 17:26, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

It's your problem if your computer does not work, the link works and describes as competicion oficial the Fairs Cup. And you have problems understanding statements too: the meaning of the phrase you reported is ''If FIFA expressly stated different positions otherwise, these opinions will prevail over the list of clubs or the opinions expressed in the articles. OK, where did FIFA expressly state that Fairs Cup was not an official competition? We are waiting your official sources saying this man (the old one) was by accident in Budapest on September 11, 1968, he was by accident walking near Népstadion, and he was by accident invited inside to give the Cup to Leeds Utd. Let's wait.--79.54.153.220 (talk) 16:34, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

IP, te lo digo en castellano para que lo entiendas: "Europa en juego" es un blog y un blog NO ES ACEPTADO como referencia válida. Aunque diga la verdad suprema un blog NO ES CONSIDERADO fuente para Wikipedia. Respecto al hecho que Rous entregaba el trofeo ¿Y a quién le importa? Mussolini en 1934, De Gaule en 1938, el Rey de España Juan Carlos del Borbón y Borbón en 1982 y un NN en el 2006 (porque a Blatter no le dió la gana de hacerlo) le entregaron la Copa del Mundo al capitán de la Nazionale italiana ¿Y? Italia no deja de ser tetracampeón mundial por el simple hecho que el presidente FIFA jamás entregó (ni quiso hacerlo) la copa porque se trata de un mero procedimiento protocolar. La FIFA es la autoridad a nivel mundial, UEFA a nivel EUROPEO y la Copa de Ferias era competición europea que NO CUENTA para el único récord oficial: el de las competiciones UEFA. Esa jurisidicción se respeta y TIENE que ser respetada. Adiós.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 19:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Dante, la Copa de la RFEF no es la Copa de la Liga sino la Copa Federación, así que por favor no trates de confundir al personal, la Copa de Ferias es la misma competición que la Europa League, otra cosa es que cambiara de nombre al hacerse la UEFA cargo de ella, que la UEFA no la considere "UEFA competition" al no estar organizada por ella es perfectamente lógico, pero no quiere decir que no sea la misma competición, por ejemplo el Barca de Baloncesto gano la Copa de Europa en 2002 y actualmente la ULEB no la reconoce ya que durante unos años no la organizao ella sino los clubs, por tanto el Barca de basket no es campeon de Europa? no es la misma competicion que la que jugara la Final Four a final de temporada?--Sporting1905 (talk) 21:39, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

¿Cómo que no le reconoce? ULEB lo hace, además que ello ocurrió en la temporada 2002-03 (me imagino que ese es el sitio oficial de la Euroliga ya que lo encontré en el sitio de la ULEB).

La Copa de Ferias es precursor cronológico, no "el mismo torneo" respecto a la Europa League para comenzar, a nivel del organizador y la postura de éste es muy explícita. RFEF señala que el Barcelona ha ganado 8 supercopas de España y señala que es récord de la competencia, no 12 sumando las 4 Copas Eva Duarte. Siguiendo tú punto de vista sería lógico decir que el Madrid fue 36 veces campeón de España y no las 31 que contempla la RFEF con la creación de la Liga puesto que hasta 1928 a la Copa del Rey (que el Madrid ganó en 5 ocasiones a 1929) se le conocía también como "Campeonato de España", ¿no?

Si mañana el ECA anuncia la creación de la Superliga Europea (algo que buscaba el G-14, su predecesor), el campeón va a ser llamado "campeón de Europa" pero sus resultados no serán mezclados con los de la Champions League puesto que, en principio, la UEFA se opone rotundamente a esa clase de torneo.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 21:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

FIFA Club World Cup

FC Barcelona has won the FIFA Club World Cup. Could the administrators modify the voice and add this victory in Barça honours? N.B. I hate Real Madrid and the madrid's fans. This club is the scum of football, such as Juventus in italy and i'm italian. For Dante the peruvian: UEFA is a criminal organization. Thank you. Physiology, 09:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Physiology (talk • contribs)

Physiology is in reason, it has to be refreshed--Ssola (talk) 17:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Mediterranean League doesn't score?--Ssola (talk) 18:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

A message for the administrators: you have to update the table of records with the victory of FC Barcelona in the FIFA Club World Cup. Thank you. Physiology 11:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Physiology (talk • contribs)

Most successful club table

Please, how can protect this part of the page? Thank you. It's under attack. It's very important. Stop edit wars. Physiology, 12:10 20 April 2010 (UTC). I confirm the request. It's very important. Physiology, 11.50 25 May 2010 (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Physiology (talk • contribs)

Someone is removing the Copa Eva Duarte, it was by all means an official competition. Sandman888 (talk) ^{Latest FLC} 20:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Eva Duarte

Why Copa Eva Duarte is not considered in "Most successful clubs overall (1902 – present)" section?--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 09:21, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

If there is no opposition, I'll add the Copa Eva Duarte in the aforementioned section.--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 07:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It's not official by RFEF & UEFA. Why you add it now not before some year? because you just want your team on top in a hurry way? Also Why you don't add Latin Cup and some unofficial tournment like what you added Fairs cup and Eva Duarte. For more See

• List of UEFA club competition winners
• List of confederation and inter-confederation club competition winners
• List of world club champions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.52.60.181 (talk) 08:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Also you can see above #From RFEF statutes or I will copy it here>

* According to Tit. VI, chapter. II, section 1, art. 29 bis, paragraph 1, pag.19 of RFEF statutes, RFEF, the governing body of football in Spain ONLY recognise as "official football tournaments" at national level:

1. Los Campeonatos Nacionales de Liga de Primera, Segunda, Segunda B y Tercera División (Spanish Football Championships from First to Third Divition).
2. El Campeonato de España/Copa de S.M. el Rey (Spanish Cup).
3. La Supercopa (Spanish Super Cup).
4. La Copa RFEF (Spanish League Cup).

Additional comments

Also, the entity recognise official UEFA and FIFA competitions as equivalent to "statal championships". Where is included in that document the Fairs Cup as "official" competition? As Fairs Cups is not an UEFA club competicion, RFEF not recognise Fairs Cup as "official" cup, sorry...--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 00:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC) In fact, we are speaking of a competition recognized by FIFA, not by UEFA. We explained it at least one hundred times. I don't think you don't understand: more probably, you are only a troll. --79.45.155.132 (talk) 01:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC) Is not a FIFA competition. The fifa's jurisdiction is world-wide like Europe is the UEFA's jurisdiction and Spain = RFEF.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 00:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC) To IPs see UEFA Cup: All-time finals - UEFA.com Fairs Cup ‘‘The UEFA Cup replaced the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup in the 1971/72 season. The list of finals from that competition are listed below, but please note that the Fairs Cup is not considered a UEFA competition, and hence clubs' records in the Fairs Cup are not considered part of their European record.’’ NOTE: The Inter-Cities Fairs Cup also took place from 1955 to 1971 but not as an official UEFA competition. Good luck.KSAconnect 10:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC) In fact, we always spoke about FIFA website, not UEFA website. YOU are a vulgar vandal, WE use official and precise sources. We all know that Fairs wasn't UEFA's: it is evidently recognized by FIFA on the principle of its interventation in its organization (the situation is very similar, speaking of UEFA instead of FIFA, of the Toyota Cup). And, LPF reflects FIFA statements. --79.54.157.81 (talk) 10:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC) So you depend on that point only which make all you edits based on personal research, simply Fairs cup is a comp. played in Europe which European teams (some teams are represent their city) so how can it be International trophy by FIFA (FIFA doesn't say it was official also, UEFA says : Fairs Cup are not considered part of their European record.KSAconnect 12:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC) We all know that Fairs Cup was not a UEFA competition, nobody is saying this. We are speaking about FIFA sources, because Fairs Cup was organized by a committee involving FIFA (in fact, the cup was given by FIFA President).--95.237.154.148 (talk) 23:47, 18 November 2009 (UTC) But it also was not a FIFA competition like Latin Cup, and you source doesn't include any sentence speak about it . And if it official as your idea, thin many competitions like Fairs Cup will be official. Fianal thing that FIFA recognize the "official competition" in international level only not continent as what Mr.Dantetheperuvian said in this talk that RFEF, the governing body of football in Spain ONLY recognise as "official football tournaments" at national level: 1. Los Campeonatos Nacionales de Liga de Primera, Segunda, Segunda B y Tercera División (Spanish Football Championships from First to Third Divition). 2. El Campeonato de España/Copa de S.M. el Rey (Spanish Cup). 3. La Supercopa (Spanish Super Cup). 4. La Copa RFEF (Spanish League Cup). Also, the entity recognise official UEFA and FIFA competitions as equivalent to "statal championships". And please stop trying to make your idea is correct only, while ignoring the rest of the official source.KSAconnect 07:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC) The parallelism with Latin Cup is completely uncorrect. Latin Cup was organized by four national associations (RFEF, FFF, FIGC and FPF), while FIFA was completely excluded. We never said that Fairs Cup was official because RFEF said so, we are saying that RFEF (as UEFA and FIGC in other sources) says that Fairs was official because it reflects FIFA position. No problem agreeing with your position when you will find an official FIFA source saying that Fairs was a friendly competition. --95.237.152.169 (talk) 10:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC) Your source of FIFA does not show what you type here as Fairs Cup was official that the opposite UEFA, which shows it explicitly said that the tournament is not considered an official tournament or even within the European competition.KSAconnect 10:41, 19 November 2009 (UTC) You lie. UEFA says Fairs was an official competition (Look news on 13 de enero de 2009); then, certainly it says that Fairs was not its own competition, because it was organized by a committee involving FIFA (and, by the way, in later Sixties the entrance criteria were based on official national league standings). In fact, FIFA gives to Barça its Fairs honours. Have you got an official source confirming what you say, that Fairs Cup was a friendly competition? --95.236.155.239 (talk) 14:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC) Be polite while you talking, look at Fairs Cup article to know more. Also see FIFA.com to know that your only sources not represent FIFA under the map. ‘‘The list of clubs or the opinions expressed in the articles do not necessarily represent the views of FIFA, unless expressly stated otherwise.’’ and you spanish uefa link doesn't work.KSAconnect 17:26, 20 November 2009 (UTC) It's your problem if your computer does not work, the link works and describes as competicion oficial the Fairs Cup. And you have problems understanding statements too: the meaning of the phrase you reported is ''If FIFA expressly stated different positions otherwise, these opinions will prevail over the list of clubs or the opinions expressed in the articles. OK, where did FIFA expressly state that Fairs Cup was not an official competition? We are waiting your official sources saying this man (the old one) was by accident in Budapest on September 11, 1968, he was by accident walking near Népstadion, and he was by accident invited inside to give the Cup to Leeds Utd. Let's wait.--79.54.153.220 (talk) 16:34, 21 November 2009 (UTC) IP, te lo digo en castellano para que lo entiendas: "Europa en juego" es un blog y un blog NO ES ACEPTADO como referencia válida. Aunque diga la verdad suprema un blog NO ES CONSIDERADO fuente para Wikipedia. Respecto al hecho que Rous entregaba el trofeo ¿Y a quién le importa? Mussolini en 1934, De Gaule en 1938, el Rey de España Juan Carlos del Borbón y Borbón en 1982 y un NN en el 2006 (porque a Blatter no le dió la gana de hacerlo) le entregaron la Copa del Mundo al capitán de la Nazionale italiana ¿Y? Italia no deja de ser tetracampeón mundial por el simple hecho que el presidente FIFA jamás entregó (ni quiso hacerlo) la copa porque se trata de un mero procedimiento protocolar. La FIFA es la autoridad a nivel mundial, UEFA a nivel EUROPEO y la Copa de Ferias era competición europea que NO CUENTA para el único récord oficial: el de las competiciones UEFA. Esa jurisidicción se respeta y TIENE que ser respetada. Adiós.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 19:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC) Dante, la Copa de la RFEF no es la Copa de la Liga sino la Copa Federación, así que por favor no trates de confundir al personal, la Copa de Ferias es la misma competición que la Europa League, otra cosa es que cambiara de nombre al hacerse la UEFA cargo de ella, que la UEFA no la considere "UEFA competition" al no estar organizada por ella es perfectamente lógico, pero no quiere decir que no sea la misma competición, por ejemplo el Barca de Baloncesto gano la Copa de Europa en 2002 y actualmente la ULEB no la reconoce ya que durante unos años no la organizao ella sino los clubs, por tanto el Barca de basket no es campeon de Europa? no es la misma competicion que la que jugara la Final Four a final de temporada?--Sporting1905 (talk) 21:39, 2 April 2010 (UTC) ¿Cómo que no le reconoce? ULEB lo hace, además que ello ocurrió en la temporada 2002-03 (me imagino que ese es el sitio oficial de la Euroliga ya que lo encontré en el sitio de la ULEB). La Copa de Ferias es precursor cronológico, no "el mismo torneo" respecto a la Europa League para comenzar, a nivel del organizador y la postura de éste es muy explícita. RFEF señala que el Barcelona ha ganado 8 supercopas de España y señala que es récord de la competencia, no 12 sumando las 4 Copas Eva Duarte. Siguiendo tú punto de vista sería lógico decir que el Madrid fue 36 veces campeón de España y no las 31 que contempla la RFEF con la creación de la Liga puesto que hasta 1928 a la Copa del Rey (que el Madrid ganó en 5 ocasiones a 1929) se le conocía también como "Campeonato de España", ¿no? Si mañana el ECA anuncia la creación de la Superliga Europea (algo que buscaba el G-14, su predecesor), el campeón va a ser llamado "campeón de Europa" pero sus resultados no serán mezclados con los de la Champions League puesto que, en principio, la UEFA se opone rotundamente a esa clase de torneo.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 21:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.52.60.181 (talk)

See this RFEF - we are not limited to what RFEF consider official. This is a list of all the competitions at that time considered prestigious and open for all. Sandman888 (talk) ^{Latest PR} 07:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

But this does not mean it the same or even under the supervision of the Spanish Federation, and if your conclusion on this are right, that would mean adding more tournaments that are similar to current one like Latin Cup. Also this list include only the official not prestigious like what you get it from that article. Q for you: Are These trophies you added in official? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.48.125.80 (talk) 12:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC) What do you mean by official? RFEF is not the only football organisation in the world, and the Copa Eva Duarte was a Spanish first-team competition just like the rest of them. Sandman888 (talk) 08:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

You don't have source that said what you say, you want to make your opinion to be the correct one to have your team in the lead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.49.1.140 (talk) 12:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes there's a source right here and here where it is listed with the rest of the supercup. Sandman888 (talk) 12:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't remove Fairs' Cups, it has already been discussed above. You seem to be going over your head to ensure that the total tally is to your liking. Sandman888 (talk) 13:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Source is considered only a testimonial to the representative of Argentina. What about this [3], eportivo-la-coruna.com is a fan site like what you want.--188.49.1.140 (talk) 13:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

RSSSF is recognized by consensus on WP:FOOTY. You can of course ask there whether the Copa Eva Duarte is a Spanish competition or not, but I doubt they will agree. Sandman888 (talk) 13:14, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Only officia title can added that organized by official bodies : Spanish (RFEF), European (UEFA) and Worldwidw (FIFA).

Spanish (RFEF) : La Liga, Copa del Rey, Supercopa de España and Copa de la Liga.

European (UEFA) : Champions League, Cup Winners' Cup, (UEFA) Europa League, Super Cup, Intertoto Cup and Intercontinental Cup (was a football competition endorsed by UEFA and CONMEBOL)

Worldwidw (FIFA): FIFA Club World Cup —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.49.1.140 (talk) 13:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Rubbish, any recognized competition can be added, not only those by RFEF or UEFA. Likewise the intertoto cup isn't so it's not there. Sandman888 (talk) 13:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

RSSSF is only organization dedicated to collecting statistics, using contributors from around the world, so of info is not perfect sourced or uncompleted. So we have official organization we don't need secondary source that include some ideas.--188.49.1.140 (talk) 13:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

As I said, consensus as established it as legitimate. If you want to turn over that decision go to WP:FOOTY. Several editors have agreed that Eva Duarte and Fairs should be in the table so that is consensus. Sandman888 (talk) 13:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed on false that bad think for who want to make his opinion the true against others.--188.49.1.140 (talk) 13:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I think both should be in, but the Duarte is another issue IMO. But the Fairs Cup is 100% legit, the fact it's being argued is ridiculous, the FIGC, the Italian Footballing Body agree it should be added to domestic teams honours (go to football records of italy and go to the link next to Roma in the table) and also go to the OFFICIAL La Liga website, LFP, both in Valencia and Barcelona's records the Fairs Cup is added. Who cares that UEFA don't recognise it as part of THEIR record...but it's still a competition to is added to European records and domestic records, just not UEFA records, because well shock, horror...UEFA never hosted it, so they have a reason to not add it to their records.