User talk:Anka Wolbert

please state your name as you seem to only want to put emphasis on aka and pieter and forget as much as possible of ronny for some mysterious reason. might it be you are or were part of the band ? I do have articles backing up my edits and your edits seem to be general , it is bland and unjust. Also you stand warned from being barred. State your relation with the band or your sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowitallfortoday (talk • contribs)

Reply from Anka Wolbert:

I am Anka Wolbert. I was a member of Clan of Xymox from 1983 to 1991.

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Anka Wolbert (talk) 13:31, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, Anka Wolbert, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

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• Anka, if I can make a suggestion: stay away from Anka Wolbert. There are already way too many conflicts of interest surrounding the Clan of Xymox and associated articles. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:40, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't start the Anka Wolbert page nor made any edits to it. Anka Wolbert (talk) 12:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

• I know--I'm just trying to avoid even more possible difficulties. This is not to say, of course, that you couldn't post links to reliable sources on that article's talk page, sources which would help the notability of the subject (see WP:RS and WP:N). In its present state it is unlikely to be kept, per Wikipedia's policies on notability, esp. for biographies of living people. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

OK I will do. Although I noticed I can't get onto Anka Wolbert because it takes me straight through to Clan Of Xymox.. Is it still possible to get into the page itself? Anka Wolbert (talk) 16:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes. If you click on Anka Wolbert you will be taken to Clan of Xymox but under the title you will see it says (Redirected from [[Anka Wolbert]]). If you click on this link to Anka Wolbert you will be taken to the Anka Wolbert article page. NtheP (talk) 16:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

So, no: the article has been redirected--that means that the editor who redirected it thought that the subject was not notable enough (by Wikipedia's standards) to warrant its own article. See the final note (in italics) at WP:BAND: undoubtedly that's that that editor was considering. It's a judgment call, of course, but the lack of independent, reliable sources that provided in-depth discussion of the subject indicated that it was going to go that way. Drmies (talk) 19:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. Corvus cornix_talk 21:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

In addition, biographies of living people must include reliable sources. Corvus cornix_talk 21:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

The biographies of living people must be sourced to reliable sources. I didn't see any in any of the sourcing that was used in the article. Corvus cornix_talk 22:29, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but that seems more than odd to me. These are references to publicised magazines, articles contributed by journalists to online magazines, and even an encyclopedia. I have made enquiries today by telephone with the Dutch Music Encyclopedia (online since April 2010) and they have ensured me all content is taken from articles published by journalists. Some of the same references are used on Pieter Nooten. I would appreciate it if you looked into the matter a little closer. Anka Wolbert (talk) 23:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

All of the links to magazines appear to be reviews, not to articles about yourself. Do those articles provide the details about your life that a biography can be written from, or do they just provide information about your work as a singer and information on the music?

These references support the facts that were written in the biography. This biography is about Anka Wolbert's work as a musician, not a biography about her whole "life". Anka Wolbert (talk) 00:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• Muziekkrant OOR and SLUG Magazine can count as reliable (and thus notable) sources, this is true. The others cannot, and they verify (though not as reliable sources...) that Wolbert produced this album. It's a borderline issue. Corvus, please have another look. Drmies (talk) 01:17, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, generally any article whose title is a person's name is considered to be a biography of that person, and as such the standard criteria to decide on inclusion are described at WP:BIO, the notability guideline for biographies. That's what people are getting at here. 67.122.209.190 (talk) 08:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• So perhaps you will suggest then how this Encyclopedia should handle the information regarding the solo careers of band members? As an example you could refer to Take That, or suggest another reasonable method. Thanks Muso88 (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)