Talk:Epic film

The Sound of Music

blablablabla film category; however, its budget and its recognition both critically, among fans, and in the montage at the Oscars I believe deserves a spot on the list. -Fbv65edel 16:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The Lion King and Finding Nemo are epics? This is embarassing. Mandel

You will notice, Mandel, that I said they share characteristics with what is widely perceived to be the epic film style. --ExtraordinaryMan 22:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The Lion King, maybe, but I don't see how Nemo qualifies. They travel a great distance, but the events of the filsm basically only affect the main characters. It doesn't have the epic scope. Ace of Sevens 12:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Added a few pictures of "epic films" to the section.

Also, does "The Da Vinci Code" really qualify as an epic? --ExtraordinaryMan 22:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems every damn movie that ever had a wide shot is now an epic. I'm deleting the entire list. Ace of Sevens 18:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It's been resurrected at List of epic films. I am getting closer and closer to listing that for AfD. Morgan Wick 23:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

A lot of the older films definitely belong on the list as epics. But in regards to the newer films, we seem to be using too broad of a defintion. Are "The Matrix" films and "The Da Vinci Code" really epics. --ExtraordinaryMan 13:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Cartoons are epics? I think this article is up to Wiki standards. The Muppet Movie is certainly an epic. Redrum Frank (talk) 06:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Sources

I'm concerned that this page lacks sources for describing epic films. As I can understand that the terminology is used, I believe such sources exist, but they should be referenced. Here's some I found:

http://www.filmsite.org/epicsfilms.html http://www.epinions.com/mvie-review-6829-8A8EB97-391C90BC-prod5 http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/movies/epics/epics.html

But I'm concerned that they lack enough substance to merit inclusion in this article, so I'm wondering if anybody has some print sources? Films are a serious subject so there must be something somewhere, right? FrozenPurpleCube 04:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Spoof

I removed this: "A film parodying the epic film genre was released in 2007 under the title, Epic Movie. The film spoofed such epics as Nacho Libre, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Snakes on a Plane, X-Men, The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, Cribs, and Borat." I don't think this has any place in the article, plus Snakes on a Plane and Cribs are hardly place emphasis on human drama on a grand scale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.94.76 (talk) 18:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Titanic?

old woman tells of her obviously insanely romanticised and idealised memory, of being an average girl on a cruise, meeting The Great Romeo and having something of an affair with him on the ship. then the ship crashes and sinks, he dies, she's saved. how the hell is that an epic film? it's just a mental porn movie for women, with the usual extremely thin and completely unrealistic plot.· Lygophile has spoken 15:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

James Cameron's film has been considered an epic in countless critic's reviews and by the general public. It was voted by the American Film Institute as the 6th Greatest Epic film of all time. Titanic is an epic film, whether you agree with me or not.Pat 18:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The Dark Knight

The Dark Knight movie the "Crime epics" Is that the section does not need to take place?--Olağan Şüpheli (talk) 17:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Is Goodfellas Really An Epic??

I think this article has its heart in the right place, but it needs to be more consistent as to what is and isn't an epic. The first paragraph under "Genre Characteristics" provides an excellent definition of epic film. The following is a key part of the definition: "the central conflict of the film is usually seen as having far-reaching effects, often changing the course of history." By that standard, Gone With the Wind, Cleopatra, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, and The Ten Commandments are all epics.

However, it's difficult for me to see how any of the crime films described as "epics" meet this threshold. Certainly, there is nothing epic about The Departed, however fine it may be as a piece of cinema. And as for Goodfellas -- I love that movie, but in no way is it epic! The major exception that I would recognize is the Godfather series, because it sets organized crime in a sweeping historical narrative, and in that sense has an epic scope.

I think the existing text about crime films under "Genre Characteristics" is a good statement of the pros & cons of defining a special subgenre of crime epic. If the additional section about "Crime Epics" is going to remain in this article, it should certainly be tightened up to eliminate the decidedly non-epic examples. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thuvan Dihn (talk • contribs) 03:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Chinese Epics

I'm disappointed to see a lack of Chinese cinema mentioned within this article, regarding what qualifies as an epic. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon; Hero; Red Cliff; House of Flying Daggers for starters are some pretty big films that are known to be wuxia epics, differing greatly from wuxia films of the past. Yet for some reason, there isn't a section mentioned here?--ThePhantasos (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Relevance

I fail to see how this "topic" merits its own entry. Whether or not a movie is "epic," seems to me to be entirely determined by marketing, budget, and public perception. The first and third of these factors are unquantifiable, and all three are external to the actual content of the film. I agree with Thuvan Dihn that this is a noble attempt but the question of what is and is not an "epic" film is so wholly subjective as to make futile any attempt at classification.

It seems every damn movie that ever had a wide shot is now an epic.

At this point in our cultural history "epic" is more of an adjective than a genre. Hisotterness (talk) 21:41, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Is Harry Potter really epic??

According to me, one of the criteria for epic films is that they have to be big budget films. The Harry Potter films have never struck to me as being big-budget. In fact, most of the box office success of HP is due to the popularity of the books. If they really are big-budget, then the effort put into film-making is very poor (especially with the special effects). In that case, can the HP films be really considered as epic? Even the Oscar record of HP films is very poor. 59.184.149.66 (talk) 12:53, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

To difficult to define

This article is rubbish. Too much subjective inclusions and too many exclusions. That's just my personal opinion. So Original research in this article must be a serious issue. It needs a lot so work and a lots of changes.