Talk:List of haplogroups of historic people

This article was nominated for deletion on 26/2/2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Adolf Hitler

These DNA results posted in the paper last year was NOT Hitlers DNA a perfect hoax, remove his from this rediclous wiki page.

Genghis Khan

Since Genghis Khan is dead, his remains undiscovered, and his last verifiable descendant around a century dead and never DNA tested, the listing for his DNA can't be anything other than just a guess. It should be removed or clearly labelled as fanciful speculation. siafu 02:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I am only reposting from the verifiable sources. I agree that any links that old have to be very difficult to "prove". I agree with adding a caveate. Sandwich Eater 03:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Discrepancy in two reports of the values at three alleles of the "Genghis Khan" haplotype

I noticed that the last three allele values given by the report in The Genetic Legacy of the Mongols are different from those for the corresponding genetic loci according to the report by Family Tree DNA. The table for the values from The Genetic Legacy of the Mongols gives DYS 389I = 10, DYS 389II = 26, and DYS 392 = 1, whereas the table for the values from Family Tree DNA gives DYS 389i = 13, DYS 389ii = 29, and DYS 392 = 11. Could anyone clarify the source of this discrepancy? I would appreciate it! Ebizur 00:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Population of R1b in Ireland

I'm not clear on why the Niall haplogroup needs to be elaborated on with regard to the proportion of R1b in Ireland. R1b is common throughout western Europe, and indeed throughout Atlantic europe. The population density of R1b in Ireland has nothing to do with Niall. It is just stated in the article because it is a fact, Nial happened to be R1b. There is no claim that this is a unique haplogroup in Ireland, and there is no claim that all irishmen are related to Nial. R1b is a common haplogroup in western Europe. Sandwich Eater 14:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• (cur) (last) 14:11, 21 December 2006 Sandwich Eater (Talk | contribs) (revert- See Discussion please contribute to discussion before changing.)
• (cur) (last) 10:50, 21 December 2006 Nasz (Talk | contribs) (the intormation source may be just the link 2 words away.)
• (cur) (last) 04:29, 21 December 2006 Sandwich Eater (Talk | contribs) (→Niall of the Nine Hostages - grammar and no citation for percentage, many irish are R1a and other haplogroups)
• (cur) (last) 02:39, 21 December 2006 Nasz (Talk | contribs) (anyway over 90 % Irishmen have this gen. Thats ok ? Why not ?)
• (cur) (last) 01:47, 21 December 2006 Sandwich Eater (Talk | contribs) (sentence just states R1b haplogroup, does claim it is unique or special)
• (cur) (last) 23:49, 19 December 2006 Nasz (Talk | contribs) (as in wikipage about R1B, so what is unusual in this #4 discovery :) ?)

SD :"I'm not clear on why the Niall haplogroup needs to be elaborated on with regard to the proportion of R1b in Ireland."

N: ok. Nasz 03:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

This section is not about Irishmen, it is about Niall. Irishmen don't have "this gene" unless you are referring to the y-chromosome. All men have that gene. R1b is a haplogroup common to all of atlantic europe. Trying to somehow claim that irishmen have some sort of connection to Niall because they are R1b is silly since all of atlantic europe has that haplogroup. The haplogroup includes a huge group of people that sheltered on the iberian peninsula during the las ice age and then populated western Europe. All that the R1b haplogroup indicates is that Niall's ancestors were one of those people, as was much of Atlantic Europe. Indicating that "Niall is R1b as do most of irishmen" is grammatically incorrect, and also factually misleading. It suggests that Irishmen are descended from Niall because they are R1b which is not true. Sandwich Eater 21:08, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it would be made all the more correct if instead of saying R1b they said R1b1c7....and whatever other undiscovered SNP are downstream that haplogroup within the haplotype of Niall. 67.5.156.254 (talk) 09:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Hypothesis

Felt the need to add that these are the result of thousands of tests and probably do indicate the results close to the famous ancestors'. After 10,000 or 100,000 tests the results may be refined or disproved.Stamboul 13:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I recall reading something about Niall being related to a substantial number of irishmen. This is probably proven via haplo*type* not haplo*group*. I think it would be interesting to add a well written summary of such a link to Niall's wikipedia page, then include a link from this page to that page, with approriate citations/sources for the original literature. But the R1b haplogroup is not the link. That is shared by much of Atlantic Europe. The link is probably established by the haplotype and modeling of the mutation rates around that haplotype into the current population. Sandwich Eater 14:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

World's richest man: Warren Buffet.

Warren Buffett's ten-page DNA report, which he shared with Fortune, also revealed that his paternal ancestors hail from northern Scandinavia, while his mother's side most likely has roots in Iberia or Estonia.[1]

They're obviously talking about haplogroups here, (which is confirmed at the 23andme site) which paternal line is common in Scandinavia but I1? Unless it is a particular haplotype of R1a or R1b? Was more released in Fortune and does anybody have the information? Nagelfar (talk) 08:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

"Famous haplogroup members" article name.

I believe the old article name is more inclusive, that is, "list of genetic results derived from historical and famous figures." - with more testing companies like deCODEme & 23&me focusing on autosomal DNA discoveries, the article would have more provenance if it included such potential results, as if a historic individual was somehow discovered to have the CCR5 deletion via tested lock of hair, or something along those lines. Nagelfar (talk) 05:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC) I believe any male relative can be tested through a lock of hair for haplotype such as hitler etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.241.144 (talk) 04:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Napoleon.

picture caption "nuclear reactor used in the experiment on samples of Napoleon's DNA" Well it seems they've fiddled with Napoleons DNA but didn't extrapolate any genetic genealogical information. Though maybe it exists on file somewhere? Nagelfar (talk) 22:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

wrong link!

when i click "Ysearch: GF44B" in "Joseph Stalin", i am ending up in "Genghis Khan" in Ysearch page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.122.218.214 (talk) 14:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Validity of sources

These seem shaky, for instance, a blog/thread about ancestry of the Wright Brothers. Hardly valid sources.--Parkwells (talk) 20:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

-- Unfortunately, now it's the new science and mostly conducted this way, unofficially. Still, otherwise we would't have had ANY sources.

Alexei Zyryanov, aide to Emir Sergei, the Head of UAE Russian Colony —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.24.106.42 (talk) 03:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)