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"Former countries" infobox added to prehistoric Florida ethnic groups and village sites[edit]

Since you have edited a number of these articles in the past, whats your opinion on adding the infobox for "former countries" to ethnic, tribal and village organizations in the late prehistoric, protohistoric and early historic Florida and southeastern region? Another editor has begun adding the infobox (which I disagree with) to a number of these articles, sometimes removing and replacing other infoboxes in the process. ( see Tacatacuru revision history, Uzita (Florida), Pohoy , Tocobaga) The editor, User:Mangokeylime, seems to have a thing for infoboxes. Per our recent interactions (User:Mangokeylime#Mound Builders box and Talk:Mississippian culture#Mound Builders navbox) I'd rather have some neutral parties knowledgeable of the subjects to weigh in with their opinions rather than me jumping in unilaterally on this issue. Thanks, and kind regards, Heiro 03:16, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I totally agree that the infox is inappropriate and plainly inaccurate. Trying to formulate a response. I don't understand the unwillingness to acknowledge there is an entire academic system of classifications and definitions that are well established - trying to equate those ancient peoples as "countries" is so off base.Parkwells (talk) 04:00, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
I've added discussion of why the "nations infobox" (for simplicity's sake) was removed to the Talk pages of articles about the Uzita, Pohoy, and Tocobaga, as well as to Mangokeylime's Talk page, encouraging more learning about the academic conventions and classifications related to the archeological and historical cultures of indigenous peoples. So now I realize I have a question, after having added "ethnic group" infoboxes to many articles about historic Native American tribes. Are these infoboxes also used for the articles on people classified as chiefdoms, such as the three under discussion above? Can't remember. Such groups were documented in the historic period, and articles sometimes note when they disappeared from the historic record.Parkwells (talk) 16:46, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I've always seen them used here for tribal groups. I tend to stick to mostly NA stuff, generally the prehistoric stuff but it sometimes bleeds into the historic with groups like the Taensa which was at least a simple chiefdom (defined as such in one of my sources), and the Natchez who were a paramount chiefdom (pretty sure I saw a source for that recently as well). I've never seen one that fits better than the ethnic box and it's used for both. It would probably be appropriate to add them to any of those articles if they do not already have them, if that's what your asking. As per Mangokeylime, he just seems to really really like adding infoboxes (see the quote he added to his userpage after I started these discussions [1]) to articles. That seems to be the vast majority of his recent edits. And discussions with him about it seem to brickwall pretty fast, see User:Mangokeylime#Mound Builders box, lol. After that I decided to give up discussing (arguing? talking around it endlessly while feeling like you are getting nowhere?) it with him one on one and enlist other neutral opinions and get a consensus. And thanks re the props for Taensa. I hadn't meant to be that extensive but sorta got sucked in. Which sucked me into sorting out the Plaquemine culture out a bit, although that one could still use an extensive rewrite and addition of materials. Unfortunately finding material on it is difficult. It's not as well known as Mississippian and most of the material is scattered throughout individual papers and unpublished thesis', etc. As far as I know there is only one book dedicated to the subject, they say so in the introduction, haha (and the main editor and archaeologist happens to live in the same town as me but I've never ran into him. Would love to sit and discuss it with him some time, but alas). And it wasn't published until a few years ago. Maybe I'll get serious about it one day. Heiro 17:45, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Also, re the "nation state" or "state" argument in general in NA archaeo and history. Cahokia, the largest site north of Mexico, huge population, extensive influence over the eastern part of the continent, etc. And it's still a major issue with some professionals wanting to define it as a "state" and others disagreeing that it had reached that level of political structuring. There is no way the professionals would describe a few tiny villages in coastal Florida as a "state' or "country" as we use the term in English. Heiro 17:50, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

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Taensa[edit]

I may have finally reached the limits of what I can find for this one (Taensa), lol. Cheers, Heiro 19:55, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Great work!Parkwells (talk) 15:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

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Leprosy in Malta - second pair of eyes[edit]

Hello! I noticed that you were a contributor on the History of leprosy article. I was wondering whether you might be able to have a look at an article I have recently translated from French to English on Leprosy in Malta, as I would really appreciate a second pair of eyes. Any and all help gratefully received. Beckettnoti (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

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Great work![edit]

Thanks for your excellent edits to Adella Hunt Logan. You are a terrific copy editor, and your additions are spot on. Cheers! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 00:04, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

I second that ! I have been looking at your work over the last couple of days and have really enjoyed the individuals and subject matter you work on. Greatly Appreciated! Gene Wilson (talk) 18:53, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

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Benjamin Franklin Graves[edit]

In a recent edit to this article, you mentioned Proctor(aka Procter)... I know who he is, and you know who he is, but this is the first time Proctor/Procter gets mentioned in the Graves article...so there's no context. Shearonink (talk) 02:20, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, sharp eyes Shearonink! I had picked up his name from the article on the Raisin River Massacre, decided to add it for context, and forgot to check the whole thing. Good to hear from you and I hope all is well. Parkwells (talk) 14:17, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

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Cherokee citizen categories[edit]

Hi - Apologies for putting this on this page, but I am asking for people knowledgeable about Cherokee citizenship and tribal law to weigh in on a discussion of certain Cherokee categories. I'm not asking you to support my proposal, but just for the discussion to have informed contributions. The discussion is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_March_30#Category:Cherokee_people. Also, I'm not very active on Wki these days and don't know many Native American Wikipedians - would appreciate it if you would be willing to suggest others who might join in the discussion. Vizjim (talk) 10:55, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I will definitely comment, as I can see many of the respondents do not have necessary knowledge about the issue. Hope to get to it this afternoon.Parkwells (talk) 14:55, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

A cup of Equal Justice coffee for you[edit]

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Suggestions[edit]

Hi again. I think you could perhaps create a separate article about the Franklin riot. Would you be interested in creating an article about this too please? If there were casualties, they could be added to Template:Lynching in the United States.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:19, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

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Please review Caillou Pettis[edit]

Can you please look over the draft available for the article on Caillou Pettis and see if it is good to submit for actual publication? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimplyBatman22 (talkcontribs) 13:17, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Done; not ready for prime time.Parkwells (talk) 13:54, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Your edit to List of YouTubers[edit]

Hi there. Thanks for ironing out my language there. I started Draft:YouTuber to collaborate on an article about this subgroup, so if you are interested in the subject, I'd welcome your contributions to this draft as well. Regards SoWhy 07:08, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, but that's not really my field. Someone reverted my changes without explanation, so you may want to take up the issues with them at the article.Parkwells (talk) 13:54, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

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Relates to what article?[edit]

Please clarify: "The strikers resisted being boxed in and fired on two of the pickets, injuring both." What is a "picket"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:581:8580:2E45:6D36:863D:270:604F (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

The term usually refers to people guarding a group - especially of soldiers, or other people in a meeting.Parkwells (talk) 13:54, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

JSTOR article[edit]

Hello. Just wondering if you've read the JSTOR article about the 1967 Nashville riot yet. There are many articles on Newspapers.com. Please reply here and ping me when you do. Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:08, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I've started reading that, but am in the middle of my own large project. I am supporting the National Memorial for Peace and Justice in Montgomery, AL, by adding content about lynchings in each of the five counties in each state with the highest # of lynchings, per Lynching in America (2017 supplement, 3rd edition) by the Equal Justice Initiative. I am going to finish that first.Parkwells (talk) 14:45, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Nice. By the way, if you are able to retrieve the names of all the lynching victims in Middle Tennessee from them, I could try to create more articles about specific lynchings there.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:20, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
The EJI published a Supplement: Lynching by County (this can be found online), which I'm using. It only identifies totals. So I have also conducted Google searches of lynchings by named county, and finding other documentation of names and incidents. In some cases, contemporary newspaper accounts are online, but scholarly sources are better. I have not listed all of the victims by name in these articles, because in the worst states, the list is much too long. There are many other sources which you will find by searching. Especially since the publication of the EJI first report in 2015, some states or other jurisdictions, and major newspapers in those states have published their own reports by name. Here is one that documented lynchings of the 1940s: http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai3/segregation/text2/lynchingcrime.pdf. This includes: June 22, 1940: At Brownsville, Haywood County, Tennessee. Elbert Williams, Negro. Charge, attempting to qualify to vote - “Interest in Negro affairs.” Murdered and body thrown into the Hatchie River."Parkwells (talk) 15:55, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I wish they would add the names on their website. In Middle Tennessee, I have created a few: Lynching of David Jones, Lynching of Amos Miller, Lynching of Ephraim Grizzard, Lynching of Samuel Smith. Someone else created Lynching of Samuel Bierfield a while back. But there must be more--if we know the names, I can retrieve more RS on Newspapers.com to create new articles.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:12, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
You may pick up names by reading the full EJI report, which sometimes goes into details. The TN Encyclopedia online has a lengthy article on lynchings, and there are a variety of other sources. It would be better not to rely only on newspapers. Also, the website for the National Memorial for Peace and Justice may list the names. The memorial is made up of structural elements on which are engraved the names of victims by county, when known- a separate hanging steel piece for each county.Parkwells (talk) 16:20, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
EJI reported a total of five lynchings in Williamson Co, TN, so you could search by county. That's where Samuel SMith was from.Parkwells (talk) 18:00, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I've created Lynching of Jo Reed--the suspension bridge was probably the same as the one used for the Lynching of David Jones, but we would need an RS.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:54, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry I meant the same bridge was Grizzard. But we don't know for sure.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Luverne, Alabama[edit]

What do you think of this please?Zigzig20s (talk) 00:10, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I've added more content and documentation about the lynching, as well as adding the lynching to the Crenshaw County page. It does not need to be in the Lead. Parkwells (talk) 14:41, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Maybe not, but "the friendliest city in the South" in the lede is a bit odd. They are friendly until they lynch us--great!Zigzig20s (talk) 15:18, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
That's true but the total history also has to be considered in the Lead. Parkwells (talk) 16:16, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Newspapers.com[edit]

May I suggest that you apply for a free account? It is a very useful resource.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:27, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought they charged for it. Is it one that is covered by Wikipedia's Library? I have other accounts through them.Parkwells (talk) 23:36, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes it is.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:39, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

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Franklin, Tennessee[edit]

Hello. I already reverted it once with three reasons but it happened again. I don't think PR from magazines is encyclopedic. Could you please take a look?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:17, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the heads-up. I agree that too much PR is too much. Have edited it to make more neutral in tone, reorganize to put some of that content in the body, and noted that every award needs cites. If the editor can't bother to do that, I'm ready to delete the material. Added notes to the article Talk page. See what you think.Parkwells (talk) 15:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Joseph Samuel Clark[edit]

Could you please help me with the issue I raised at Talk:Joseph Samuel Clark?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:38, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

You might be interested in his son, Felton Grandison Clark.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:07, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
I've nominated Joseph Samuel Clark for DYK. Could you please add a few more in-line references for your expansions?Zigzig20s (talk) 01:49, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Polish population transfers (1944–1946)[edit]

The page is aboout expelld pOles, not Germans.
The number of 15 milllion of expelled Germans belongs to German nationalistic propaganda. Xx236 (talk) 07:36, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Page two says 12 million of Germans. Xx236 (talk) 07:48, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
IF you want to discuss go there Demographic estimates of the flight and expulsion of Germans.Xx236 (talk) 09:22, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Leon R. Tarver II[edit]

Hello again. Are you able to find where he earned his BA and PhD please?Zigzig20s (talk) 22:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:47, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

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President's House (Philadelphia)[edit]

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Grace who?[edit]

Grace who? If it helps a bit, later in section Ossian_Sweet#Trial there is

Several days before that, on October 6, Gladys Sweet was released on bail provided by friends of her parents.

Now I can understand your confusion, since that isn't mentioned when the comment about "the men" is made. Even more confusing to me is mentions of eleven people and eight people and so forth. How many people were arrested and how many on trial at each trial. I can't tell from the article. Shenme (talk) 04:01, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your comments. I added the date when Gladys Sweet was released on bail and have tried to clarify other sections. The sources are confusing. There were eight people to be tried in the second trial. It appears that charges were dropped against three people, of the eleven arrested, before the first trial. Have been traveling, but still trying to figure it out.Parkwells (talk) 18:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Shooting of Sam Faulkner[edit]

"The chapter “Justice for Sam Faulkner” might have been ripped from today’s headlines. It tells the story of the 1927 murder of an innocent 20-year-old African-American man in his sister’s home near Central Avenue at the hands of two rogue officers of the LAPD.". Perhaps we could create Shooting of Sam Faulkner?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Maybe, will have to see what else I can find. The book has pages blocked out online. The two officers who shot him were black, by the way, among the first African Americans hired by the LAPD, so it's a complex story. Parkwells (talk) 14:13, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Not sure if you want to copy-edit this, and more recently there was yet another one. There are lots of RS that could be used. Things never seem to change though. The complacency with the culture of violence is depressing.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:45, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

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Edits to Far Rockaway[edit]

This edit to the article for Far Rockaway, Queens did a lot more than "Add Mary Gordon". Were the extensive other changes deliberate enhancements to the article? The link to Mary Gordon is a disambiguation page and there is no source here or in the article for the writer. Do you have a source to connect her to Far Rockaway? Alansohn (talk) 22:01, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing that I missed the dab for Mary Gordon; I'm still working on this. Yes, of course there is a source for her being born in Far Rockaway; it is the first sentence of the biographical section of the article on her: "Mary Gordon was born in Far Rockaway, New York, to Anna (Gagliano) Gordon, an Irish-Italian Catholic mother, and David Gordon, a Jewish father,[1] who had converted to Catholicism before his marriage.[2] And yes, I am working on the article to improve it. Please give me a chance to continue before you revert again.Parkwells (talk) 22:23, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Mendon, Michigan[edit]

The history of high school football in this small town is really remarkable. And it was at least in part, documented. I'm sorry I cannot remember the year, but in the late 80's/early 90's, I was a volunteer firefighter in nearby Vicksburg. On one of the trips to Pontiac for the state championship, literately everyone in town went to the game. We came down and covered the firehouse so the firefighters could go. They won, and we took the pumper out to the county line, the team got on it, and we had an impromptu parade when they came back. This was covered on television by channel 41 out of Battle Creek and written up in the Kalamazoo Gazette, The Battle Creek Enquirer, and I believe the South Bend, Indiana paper. Thanks for writing about this. I really gotta get around to doing an article on the school. However, I am now far far away from the libraries in that area. John from Idegon (talk) 16:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, John from Idegon - Maybe you can find some material online - that is a great account. I've added a cite and content from 1999.Parkwells (talk) 17:30, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

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  1. ^ Chan, Sewell. "Official State Author and Poet Are Named". Retrieved 2016-09-24. 
  2. ^ Mary Gordon, The Shadow Man