Talk:1833 territorial division of Spain

1986 law on change of names?

I can't identify the 1986 law that was characterized in the es-wiki article as "se aprueba la ley que permite el cambio de denominación de las provincias." I'm wondering if it might be a confusion: Real Decreto 2822/1998, de 23 de diciembre, por el que se aprueba el Reglamento General de Vehículos allows for the change of indication of province on license plates, but has nothing to do with changing the name of the province as such. - Jmabel | Talk 07:31, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I have dropped the statement "In 1986 a law was approved allowing provinces to change their names" until such time as it can be cited for; as remarked, I doubt it. - Jmabel | Talk 21:15, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Francisco Cea Bermúdez

Sources variously spell this name "Francisco Cea Bermúdez" and "Francisco Zea Bermúdez". In at least one case both are used in the same book. - Jmabel | Talk 08:32, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Original research violation?

Someone explain to me why these maps don't violate WP:OR, please. They are the admitted creation of a Wikipedia/Wikimedia contributor. I simply don't get it. 98.71.218.248 (talk) 17:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I've removed them. Sure, the article is not as pretty now. But it conforms to guidelines. 98.71.218.248 (talk) 09:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Sir, if you had been around for long you would understand very well why IP accounts don't get much respect from regular editors. Newcomers should be humble, in Wikipedia and everywhere. --Jotamar (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I actually do understand (and even agree with the fact) that IP editors get less respect. That doesn't change the fact that an IP editor has the right to cite policy and edit accordingly. And I acted with extreme civility, posting my question here and waiting almost three weeks for an answer that never came before actually deleting the maps. However, your attitude as expressed in your edit summary had the effect of mocking the editor rather than addressing the policy concerns I had expressed. In attacking the messenger and not the message, your own credibilty suffered.

As for the OR claim, I can't see the reason. If someone takes some data to make a new map, that's no OR; in fact all maps in Wikipedia are like that. And in a way 90% of Wikipedia contents are suspect of OR, so you shouldn't take that guideline too literally. A different thing would be that you had discovered some manipulative or non-neutral intention behind the maps. Please make me know if that is the case, but meanwhile I consider the maps OK, and as we haven't reached consensus, the obvious default action is to restore deleted contents. --Jotamar (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

What you say about 90% of all wiki material being OR is pretty close to true. What you say about such OR being a problem only in the event that it violates WP:NPOV most assuredly is not, and you are standing on unstable ground if you don't know it. Plenty of clearly neutral material has been deleted over the years, for violations of WP:OR, WP:RS, etc.

But anyway, rather than have the two of us just continue to spout off with our interpretations of policy, I went ahead and reread some guidelines and policies. I was disappointed that this specific issue is not addressed, because, as you say, it is a common occurence. But in reading WP:OI and, to a lesser degree of importance, WP:NOTOR, I came away with the impression that, while not endorsed, neither is your position on the maps proscribed. And, since the maps do enhance the article, I am content to let them be. I'm done mentally masturbating now; sorry you couldn't join me. 98.71.218.248 (talk) 09:08, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Maps are not coherent with the article

In the maps, Aranjuez is part of Toledo Province, but in the article it is not said when it was transferred to Madrid. Similarly, in the map, Villena, Sax, Requena or Villarrobledo are in their present provinces, instead on the provinces they were in the year that is indicated in each map, although their changes are correctly reported in the article. 212.122.102.110 (talk) 19:58, 13 May 2011 (UTC)