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*The difference between a franchise and a team is not explained. What is the difference? Should the article be titled "List of defunct and relocated National Hockey League franchises" to match the NFL? |
*The difference between a franchise and a team is not explained. What is the difference? Should the article be titled "List of defunct and relocated National Hockey League franchises" to match the NFL? |
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:I wrote that the two terms are interchangeable. I really don't know how to reference that, since it's just the nature of the words. The title will remain the same, because it lists the teams, and two teams can be in the same franchise, like Winnipeg and Phoenix for example. --<font face="Calibri">'''[[User:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#FCB926">K.Annoyomous</span>]] [[User talk:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#5C2F83">(talk)</span>]]</font>''' 04:38, 13 May 2011 (UTC) |
:I wrote that the two terms are interchangeable. I really don't know how to reference that, since it's just the nature of the words. The title will remain the same, because it lists the teams, and two teams can be in the same franchise, like Winnipeg and Phoenix for example. --<font face="Calibri">'''[[User:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#FCB926">K.Annoyomous</span>]] [[User talk:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#5C2F83">(talk)</span>]]</font>''' 04:38, 13 May 2011 (UTC) |
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::I don't really understand why a team would be relocated. Could this be explained in the article? I find it hard to understand moving a team or selling a team unless their was some financial impetus. Can someone just buy the Montreal Canadiens and move them to a small town in the middle of nowhere or do they have to have some type of approval? I have a feeling most readers don't understand the reasons behind moving a team. [[User:Crunk Cup|Crunk Cup]] ([[User talk:Crunk Cup|talk]]) 01:36, 17 May 2011 (UTC) |
::I don't really understand why a team would be relocated. Could this be explained in the article? I find it hard to understand moving a team or selling a team unless their was some financial impetus. Can someone just buy the Montreal Canadiens and move them to a small town in the middle of nowhere or do they have to have some type of approval? I have a feeling most readers don't understand the reasons behind moving a team. [[User:Crunk Cup|Crunk Cup]] ([[User talk:Crunk Cup|talk]]) 01:36, 17 May 2011 (UTC) |
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[[User:Crunk Cup|Crunk Cup]] ([[User talk:Crunk Cup|talk]]) 02:29, 13 May 2011 (UTC) |
[[User:Crunk Cup|Crunk Cup]] ([[User talk:Crunk Cup|talk]]) 02:29, 13 May 2011 (UTC) |
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:::Relocations of different teams have different reasoning for them. Some move just because their home team does not have an NHL team. Others move for financial gain. I've added how the NHL approves relocations of teams. --<font face="Calibri">'''[[User:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#FCB926">K.Annoyomous</span>]] [[User talk:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#5C2F83">(talk)</span>]]</font>''' 22:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC) |
:::Relocations of different teams have different reasoning for them. Some move just because their home team does not have an NHL team. Others move for financial gain. I've added how the NHL approves relocations of teams. --<font face="Calibri">'''[[User:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#FCB926">K.Annoyomous</span>]] [[User talk:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#5C2F83">(talk)</span>]]</font>''' 22:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC) |
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*I've minimised things to make things clearer and so I can summarise things. |
*I've minimised things to make things clearer and so I can summarise things. |
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**For the Winnipeg Jets move it's stated that the team was sold to investors with the intention to move. The Phoenix Coyotes article states: " Jerry Colangelo, owner of the NBA's Phoenix Suns and MLB's Arizona Diamondbacks, along with Phoenix businessmen Steven Gluckstern and Richard Burke and a local investor group bought the team with plans to move it to Phoenix for the 1996–97 season." Is this information wrong? Was there a financial struggle or why was the team sold? Some of the explanations explain why they were moved to the location but not why the decision to move was made. ie California Golden Seals and Colorado Rockies. |
**For the Winnipeg Jets move it's stated that the team was sold to investors with the intention to move. The Phoenix Coyotes article states: " Jerry Colangelo, owner of the NBA's Phoenix Suns and MLB's Arizona Diamondbacks, along with Phoenix businessmen Steven Gluckstern and Richard Burke and a local investor group bought the team with plans to move it to Phoenix for the 1996–97 season." Is this information wrong? Was there a financial struggle or why was the team sold? Some of the explanations explain why they were moved to the location but not why the decision to move was made. ie California Golden Seals and Colorado Rockies. |
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***:Again, the information has not been cited. The column states the reason for relocation/disbandment, not the reason why the team was sold. They wanted to move to a better market for an NHL franchise. Added that they were in search of better financial conditions. --<font face="Calibri">'''[[User:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#003E7E">K.Annoyomous</span>]] [[User talk:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#009900">(talk)</span>]]</font>''' 06:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC) |
***:Again, the information has not been cited. The column states the reason for relocation/disbandment, not the reason why the team was sold. They wanted to move to a better market for an NHL franchise. Added that they were in search of better financial conditions. --<font face="Calibri">'''[[User:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#003E7E">K.Annoyomous</span>]] [[User talk:K. Annoyomous|<span style="color:#009900">(talk)</span>]]</font>''' 06:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC) |
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[[User:Crunk Cup|Crunk Cup]] ([[User talk:Crunk Cup|talk]]) 02:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC) |
[[User:Crunk Cup|Crunk Cup]] ([[User talk:Crunk Cup|talk]]) 02:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC)}} |
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*<s>'''Object'''</s>. I'm checking from mostly a hockey perspective, and I don't feel the article is complete. I think that possible to write a section about the history of franchise troubles in the NHL. There's more stuff on this in the [[History of the National Hockey League]] articles. For example, the Wanderers didn't fold just because there weren't enough players... it was triggered by their arena burning down (and their owner had a history of his arenas burning down, too). The Hamilton Tigers part implies the league responded to a strike by removing the franchise (which wasn't exactly like that). You should look through the series of the articles on NHL history... the 67-92 mentions how St Louis was almost moved to Saskatoon. These are just examples of what could be added: other, broader, ideas would be the money troubles that teams had, commentary on the Original Six era... Finally, there's nothing about recent events (troubles for Phoenix and Atlanta). I think that mentioning them would make the article more comprehensive. '''<font face="Arial"><font color="#FF7133">Maxim</font><sub><small>[[User talk:Maxim|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]]</small></sub></font>''' 21:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC) |
*<s>'''Object'''</s>. I'm checking from mostly a hockey perspective, and I don't feel the article is complete. I think that possible to write a section about the history of franchise troubles in the NHL. There's more stuff on this in the [[History of the National Hockey League]] articles. For example, the Wanderers didn't fold just because there weren't enough players... it was triggered by their arena burning down (and their owner had a history of his arenas burning down, too). The Hamilton Tigers part implies the league responded to a strike by removing the franchise (which wasn't exactly like that). You should look through the series of the articles on NHL history... the 67-92 mentions how St Louis was almost moved to Saskatoon. These are just examples of what could be added: other, broader, ideas would be the money troubles that teams had, commentary on the Original Six era... Finally, there's nothing about recent events (troubles for Phoenix and Atlanta). I think that mentioning them would make the article more comprehensive. '''<font face="Arial"><font color="#FF7133">Maxim</font><sub><small>[[User talk:Maxim|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]]</small></sub></font>''' 21:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC) |
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- Nominator(s): --K.Annoyomous (talk) 20:26, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Ahh, glad to be back on FLC. During April, I noticed how I haven't had an FLC nomination since October, which made me want to make an FL. I believe this list meets WP:FL?, and was why I nominated this. There may be some grammar mistakes, so just point them out or DIY if you like. Thanks! --K.Annoyomous (talk) 20:26, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Couple of quick drive-by comments: you have at least two uses of the verb "to defunct", which, in British English at least, does not exist, it should be "to become defunct" - I haven't changed this myself in case it is a legitimate usage in American English. Oh, and the key shows yellow colour and an asterisk for the active teams, but the asterisk is not used in the table -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've searched the word defunct online, and looking at most of the websites, they do say "to become defunct", so I fixed the usage, plus I added asterisks in the table. --K.Annoyomous (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
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- Support Arsenikk (talk) 16:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
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Object. I'm checking from mostly a hockey perspective, and I don't feel the article is complete. I think that possible to write a section about the history of franchise troubles in the NHL. There's more stuff on this in the History of the National Hockey League articles. For example, the Wanderers didn't fold just because there weren't enough players... it was triggered by their arena burning down (and their owner had a history of his arenas burning down, too). The Hamilton Tigers part implies the league responded to a strike by removing the franchise (which wasn't exactly like that). You should look through the series of the articles on NHL history... the 67-92 mentions how St Louis was almost moved to Saskatoon. These are just examples of what could be added: other, broader, ideas would be the money troubles that teams had, commentary on the Original Six era... Finally, there's nothing about recent events (troubles for Phoenix and Atlanta). I think that mentioning them would make the article more comprehensive. Maxim(talk) 21:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- For the Reasons column on the table, I only listed the main reason because it is a table, and I don't think having a prose in a table is good for the table. I believe that the history of franchise troubles should be on the History of organizational changes in the NHL article, since having a huge prose for the history would make the list into a true article. I renamed the column into "Main reason for disbandment/relocation" so that readers can interpret that as there are more reasons for the relocation. Readers can read more about the potential NHL expansions at the Potential NHL expansion article. --K.Annoyomous (talk) 22:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- That works for me. Just make sure to keep a close eye on the article given this Winnipeg Thrashers speculation. Maxim(talk) 23:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
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Fixed. --K.Annoyomous (talk)
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- Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)