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::If you looked at [[Talk:Ngo Bao Chau]], then you know it was a central discussion designed to set a precedent. What sense would it make to have each article done a different way? There was a similar recent discussion at [[Talk:Dang Huu Phuc]], which also resulted in Vietnamese diacritics being stripped out of the article title. You can't use any recent community decision as a basis to put these diacritics in. Voting is split down the middle for [[WP:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC]]. This RFC would officially adopt Slavic, Scandinavian, and other diacritic systems, but not Vietnamese. So we have to assume that Vietnamese diacritics have less support. I leave the diacritics in the article themselves, including boldfaced and in the opening. The purpose of titles is to make it easy to find the articles and easy to link to them. So they should be the typeable, common use version of the name, equivalent to a book title. Book titles are almost always given without special characters, and certainly without Vietnamese diacritics. [[User:Kauffner|Kauffner]] ([[User talk:Kauffner#top|talk]]) 11:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
::If you looked at [[Talk:Ngo Bao Chau]], then you know it was a central discussion designed to set a precedent. What sense would it make to have each article done a different way? There was a similar recent discussion at [[Talk:Dang Huu Phuc]], which also resulted in Vietnamese diacritics being stripped out of the article title. You can't use any recent community decision as a basis to put these diacritics in. Voting is split down the middle for [[WP:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC]]. This RFC would officially adopt Slavic, Scandinavian, and other diacritic systems, but not Vietnamese. So we have to assume that Vietnamese diacritics have less support. I leave the diacritics in the article themselves, including boldfaced and in the opening. The purpose of titles is to make it easy to find the articles and easy to link to them. So they should be the typeable, common use version of the name, equivalent to a book title. Book titles are almost always given without special characters, and certainly without Vietnamese diacritics. [[User:Kauffner|Kauffner]] ([[User talk:Kauffner#top|talk]]) 11:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::In the absence of a general consensus one way or the other, each article must be considered on a case-by-case basis unfortunately. Therefore I do not accept that the discussion set any precedent globally. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:01, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
:::In the absence of a general consensus one way or the other, each article must be considered on a case-by-case basis unfortunately. Therefore I do not accept that the discussion set any precedent globally. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:01, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::::I suppose you can do that if you like. I thought that there might be some reason why you doing what you doing, but apparently not. [[User:Kauffner|Kauffner]] ([[User talk:Kauffner#top|talk]]) 13:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
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- PS. Curious as to why you blanked your talk page. Was it something I said?
Proposed Tibetan naming conventions
A while back, I posted a new proposal for Tibetan naming conventions, i.e. conventions that can be used to determine the most appropriate titles for articles related to the Tibetan region. This came out of discussions about article titles on Talk:Qamdo and Talk:Lhoka (Shannan) Prefecture. I hope that discussions on the proposal's talk page will lead to consensus in favour of making these conventions official, but so far only a few editors have left comments. If you would be interested in taking a look at the proposed naming conventions and giving your opinion, I would definitely appreciate it. Thanks—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 15:43, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Completely new abortion proposal and mediation
In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.
The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted.
To avoid concerns that this notice might violate WP:CANVASS, this posting is being made to every non-anon editor who has edited either page (or either page's respective talk page) since 1 July 2010, irrespective of possible previous participation at the mediation page. HuskyHuskie (talk) 22:49, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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Diacritics
Hello. Could you be careful about using a local discussion as a rationale for mass moving of articles. I'm sure you know that this issue is fairly controversial and it would be better to resolve it in a central discussion before embarking on a moving spree :) I have reverted your move of Mỹ Tho for now. Best regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- PS, I've just read that discussion in more detail. If I had closed it, I would likely have gone for "no consensus". The arguments were strong on both sides, and hardly unanimous. So I don't think it is fair to use it as a basis to move other articles. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- If you looked at Talk:Ngo Bao Chau, then you know it was a central discussion designed to set a precedent. What sense would it make to have each article done a different way? There was a similar recent discussion at Talk:Dang Huu Phuc, which also resulted in Vietnamese diacritics being stripped out of the article title. You can't use any recent community decision as a basis to put these diacritics in. Voting is split down the middle for WP:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC. This RFC would officially adopt Slavic, Scandinavian, and other diacritic systems, but not Vietnamese. So we have to assume that Vietnamese diacritics have less support. I leave the diacritics in the article themselves, including boldfaced and in the opening. The purpose of titles is to make it easy to find the articles and easy to link to them. So they should be the typeable, common use version of the name, equivalent to a book title. Book titles are almost always given without special characters, and certainly without Vietnamese diacritics. Kauffner (talk) 11:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- In the absence of a general consensus one way or the other, each article must be considered on a case-by-case basis unfortunately. Therefore I do not accept that the discussion set any precedent globally. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:01, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- I suppose you can do that if you like. I thought that there might be some reason why you doing what you doing, but apparently not. Kauffner (talk) 13:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- In the absence of a general consensus one way or the other, each article must be considered on a case-by-case basis unfortunately. Therefore I do not accept that the discussion set any precedent globally. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:01, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- If you looked at Talk:Ngo Bao Chau, then you know it was a central discussion designed to set a precedent. What sense would it make to have each article done a different way? There was a similar recent discussion at Talk:Dang Huu Phuc, which also resulted in Vietnamese diacritics being stripped out of the article title. You can't use any recent community decision as a basis to put these diacritics in. Voting is split down the middle for WP:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC. This RFC would officially adopt Slavic, Scandinavian, and other diacritic systems, but not Vietnamese. So we have to assume that Vietnamese diacritics have less support. I leave the diacritics in the article themselves, including boldfaced and in the opening. The purpose of titles is to make it easy to find the articles and easy to link to them. So they should be the typeable, common use version of the name, equivalent to a book title. Book titles are almost always given without special characters, and certainly without Vietnamese diacritics. Kauffner (talk) 11:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)