Talk:Law of Spikelets

Dates

Concerning "the date in Russian is written as 7/8/1932" - that is the way dates are written by civilized people who use the Gregorian calendar, either from the shortest time unit to the longest or else from the longest to the shortest. But I thought the explanation should be left as is unless there is a consensus to correct it. As for the importance scale, it seems important to me. Axel 21:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

children

The number of persons condemned to death under the age of 16 in USSR during Stalin era is by most accounts less than 10. I strongly oppose allusions that it was common practice to execute children picking up spikelets as it was in the previous version of the article. BesterRus (talk) 10:22, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Instead of edit warring one simply needs to provide an RS which tells: "this law was used against children" (or "it was not used against children"). But of course it's a matter of common knowledge that it was used against children. Biophys (talk) 16:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Neither did one did not need a trial to be shot on the spot. The number of formally condemned is not indicative of actual victims. PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 17:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

@Biophys, not that it's relevant, I'd like to say that it's a matter of common knowledge that children were not executed in the soviet union. It's common knowledge "that they were" only among Russian liberals, who constitute ~6% of the population. There's a famous case where a band of youth raped a fair amount of women before getting caught, the leader of the band was 16 and others were from 14 to 18. A letter was sent to Stalin and Molotov, asking if the the young offenders could be charged with brigandage and if yes, should the prosecutor ask for death penalty. The response to the second question was 'no'. And no, simply providing someone's opinion on the subject wouldn't suffice, that opinion should be based on real cases, not on hearsay or fantasies.BesterRus (talk) 17:44, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

@Vecrumba, you're confusing USSR with Nazi Germany. I strongly suggest reading either Biophys' authors or my authors, any authors would do for that matter. BesterRus (talk) 17:44, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I suggest you desist from ugly personal attacks constantly bringing up Nazis and now suggesting I don't know the difference between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. And we're not discussing your case of brigands. We are discussing the case, actually going back to the 1920's and the Volga disaster, of the practice of shooting those who even had a few grains of wheat in their hands they had picked up in the field or, as parents, had in a pocket for their children, after all else had been requisitioned, and that no one was immune. PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 18:14, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

@Vecrumba Please, don't allude to something that didn't happen. I never attacked you, nor suggested any relation between you and the Nazis. Reread my comments carefully. Provide source for your outlandish claims, or don't put them into the article, that is all I've got for you. BesterRus (talk) 18:20, 17 October 2011 (UTC)