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James A. Eshelman

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Does not meet either general notability guideline or notability guideline for biographies, due to fundamental lack of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Yworo (talk) 03:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Magic-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:38, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:AUTHOR. This author has been writing books on these topics since the 1970's, and is considered an expert in both Sidereal Astrology and Thelemic Magic. His books are highly sought after. One title when it went out of print was selling for more than $1000. Article is important to a community of people interested in the topic the author writes about, this is an important resource. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Augurone (talk • contribs) 19:53, 5 December 2011 (UTC) — Augurone (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- You have not addressed the actual notability issue. We require "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." If the subject is notable, these should be easily found. From the sources provided, subject does not appear to meet any point of WP:AUTHOR. To establish that he does, again, independent third-party reliable sources must support one or more of the points listed. Yworo (talk) 20:13, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

YworoYou keep deleting 3rd party references, and you are constricting terms. The Thelemic community is not so broad, but within it James A. Eshleman is important as is much so as Grady McMurtry, Phyllis Seckler, David Shoemaker, Aleister Crowley. Do you have a problem with Jim? this link * More on the Caliphate Elections along with this link * Caliphate Election Transcript are third party sources. Published by a legitimate 3rd party * Poetry. Re-published by a 3rd party * Article on Liber AL. Publishing industry sites referencing Jim's work * Author Profile, * Velvet Books

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 *'''Keep''' per [[WP:AUTHOR]]. This author has been writing books on these topics since the 1970's, and is considered an expert in both Sidereal Astrology and Thelemic Magic. His books are highly sought after. One title when it went out of print was selling for more than $1000. Article is important to a community of people interested in the topic the author writes about, this is an important resource. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Augurone|Augurone]] ([[User talk:Augurone|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Augurone|contribs]]) 19:53, 5 December 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> <small>— [[User:Augurone|Augurone]] ([[User talk:Augurone|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Augurone|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>
 **You have not addressed the actual notability issue. We require "significant coverage in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that are [[Wikipedia:Independent_sources|independent]] of the subject." If the subject is notable, these should be easily found. From the sources provided, subject does not appear to meet any point of [[WP:AUTHOR]]. To establish that he does, again, independent third-party reliable sources must support one or more of the points listed. [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 20:13, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
-[[User:Yworo|Yworo]]You keep deleting 3rd party references, and you are constricting terms. The Thelemic community is not so broad, but within it James A. Eshleman is important as is much so as Grady McMurtry, Phyllis Seckler, David Shoemaker, Aleister Crowley. Do you have a problem with Jim? this link * [http://www.parareligion.ch/minutes/minutes.htm More on the Caliphate Elections} along with this link * [http://www.parareligion.ch/minutes/trans.htm Caliphate Election Transcript] are third party sources. Published by a legitimate 3rd party * [http://www.jwmt.org/v1n0/lockedinlove.html Poetry]. Re-published by a 3rd party * [http://unusmundus-melie.blogspot.com/2011/10/article-meditations-on-liber-al-by-jim.html Article on Liber AL]. Publishing industry sites referencing Jim's work * [http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/743010.James_A_Eshelman Author Profile], * [http://www.velvetbooks.com/post/2011/12/04/James-A-Eshelman.aspx Velvet Books]
+[[User:Yworo|Yworo]]You keep deleting 3rd party references, and you are constricting terms. The Thelemic community is not so broad, but within it James A. Eshleman is important as is much so as Grady McMurtry, Phyllis Seckler, David Shoemaker, Aleister Crowley. Do you have a problem with Jim? this link * [http://www.parareligion.ch/minutes/minutes.htm More on the Caliphate Elections] along with this link * [http://www.parareligion.ch/minutes/trans.htm Caliphate Election Transcript] are third party sources. Published by a legitimate 3rd party * [http://www.jwmt.org/v1n0/lockedinlove.html Poetry]. Re-published by a 3rd party * [http://unusmundus-melie.blogspot.com/2011/10/article-meditations-on-liber-al-by-jim.html Article on Liber AL]. Publishing industry sites referencing Jim's work * [http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/743010.James_A_Eshelman Author Profile], * [http://www.velvetbooks.com/post/2011/12/04/James-A-Eshelman.aspx Velvet Books]