Talk:Catholic Memorial School

Requested move

Catholic Memorial School (West Roxbury, Massachusetts) → Catholic Memorial School – Unnecessary disambiguation. Powers ^T 01:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support. Agree with the nom. Good luck convincing Noetica if he sees this :) Jenks24 (talk) 04:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. Of course. What about Catholic Memorial High School (Wisconsin), co-inhabitant with the present article at the DAB page Catholic Memorial High School? What about Judge Memorial Catholic High School? Vincent Memorial Catholic High School? J. E. Cosgriff Memorial Catholic School? What about the dozens of pages listed at this DAB page: Memorial High School? Are we sure none of those would be sought under the vanilla rubric "Catholic Memorial School"? The proposed change cannot benefit anyone and can lead thousands astray. But I expect that consideration to affect no one here.

I can be convinced by argument and evidence, as some RMs and other discussions show. I am debating whether to bother presenting evidence and arguments in RMs at all though, since very few participants have been observed changing their minds or their votes – or even answering the hard questions. Let's just cast a vote, get a coloured thumb, and move on to something productive.

If a vocal and active minority really wants, needlessly and heedlessly, to weaken the encyclopedia and make it manifestly less useful to millions of users all over the world, of course that tiny minority must have its way, with their narrow and distorted interpretations of policy and guidelines to call on.

Who am I to stand in the way of decline? Let the voting continue; and adjourn the mourning for good sense and genuine dialogue sine die. ♥

Noetica^Tea? 05:20, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Such cases are easily handled with hatnotes, which would be necessary whether this page is disambiguated or not, since Catholic Memorial School already redirects here. Powers ^T 19:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

A patently, woefully inadequate response to my detailed submission here, Powers. But that should not concern you; it's the norm. Ignore the world and its information needs. Such concerns are peripheral; none of Wikipedia's business. Ignore Bishop Paschang Catholic School ("Bishop Paschang Catholic School was formerly known as the 'Bishop Paschang Memorial School' "); ignore Reading Central Catholic High School ("more completely, Monsignor Bornemann Memorial Central Catholic High School of Reading, Pennsylvania"); ignore John F. Kennedy Catholic High School (Burien, Washington) ("formerly known as John F. Kennedy Memorial High School, but changed its name with the beginning of the 2009/2010 academic year in order to reflect its Roman Catholic roots"), since we must trim every title that can be trimmed down to its bare minimum length, on whatever pretext we can find. If the good alumni of Kennedy Catholic are months behind the cutting edge, that's their bad luck. "Primary topic" must be shoe-horned in as invincibly paramount.

Let the voting continue, and let the numbers be mechanically counted. We'll continue to talk past each other and ignore the big picture, and the usefulness of Wikipedia. Fair arrangement? Sure it is! ♥ Noetica^Tea? 01:36, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Your sarcasm makes it nearly impossible to hold a reasonable dialog. Powers ^T 18:02, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Powers, if from our past encounters I had any reason to expect responsive dialogue, I would certainly assume good faith and proceed in the hope that we might actually exchange ideas. Since your style has been to start a discussion, expressing your own point of view, and then not stay to answer questions that challenge your assumptions, rationality is to no avail. Do not be affronted if I resort to sarcasm when you are unable to define a proper noun, or unwilling to consider afresh the usefulness of Wikipedia to its readers. A hidebound adherence to rules, narrowly interpreted, is against the spirit of the Project. Go read about sphexishness: "This iteration can be repeated again and again, with the Sphex never seeming to notice what is going on, never able to escape from its programmed sequence of behaviors." (☻) Noetica^Tea? 01:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support. There is no other article currently on WP that is or reasonably could be titled precisely "Catholic Memorial School". When article titles are not in confict (i.e., not identical), any disambiguation, if necessary, is better handled by hatnotes than by adding artificial parenthetical phrases to the topic's real name. In this case, a {{distinguish}} hatnote pointing to the Wisconsin high school might be reasonable, if not strictly necessary. It is unlikely any significant number of readers will be looking for any other school that currently has an article on WP by searching for or linking to that specific phrase. Station1 (talk) 04:44, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. Unnecessary deletion of useful disambiguation. Dicklyon (talk) 02:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)