User talk:Xanderliptak

Editing restrictions and indefinite block

The consensus of the community from the above discussion [1] is both that you should be indefinitely blocked from editing until you request an unblock and convince an administrator that you agree to abide by policy going forwards, and apply a specific set of editing restictions.

As noted, the indefinite block is not permanent, or a community ban. The sense of the community is that you may be able to contribute constructively at some point in the future, and the door remains open for you to convince us of that and return.

The editing restrictions will apply if you return and are unblocked, however.

The editing restrictions imposed are: user:Xanderliptak:

1. is forbidden, indefinitely, from uploading images which are in violation of WP:WATERMARK.
2. is forbidden, indefinitely, from attempting to change licencing conditions after upload of artwork he has created. The sole exception will be removing licencing conditions; any attempt to add or further restrict the licencing he agreed to at upload is forbidden.
3. is forbidden, indefinitely, from participating in any discussions about image policy.
4. is required, indefinitely, to prominently link all accounts he uses together at the top of each user page. (Note that on Commons such linking ended up having to be done by administrators who then had to fully protect each user page to prevent Xanderliptak from removing the linking. This may need to be done here.)
5. is required, indefinitely, to provide accurate diffs of any allegation he makes about another editor.
6. is required, indefinitely, to provide accurate diffs of any claims that another editor has said or done something.

   In regards to the above two requirements, any user may remove allegations/etc which Xanderliptak has made if he fails to provide diffs in a reasonable time.

7. is forbidden, indefinitely, from summarizing any discussions held elsewhere, and is restrained to direct comments supported by diffs only.
8. All of the above to be very broadly construed.
9. Violations to be met with the usual series of escalating blocks.
10. Restrictions to take effect on Xanderliptak's first edit (with any account) after this date, or upon granting of an unblock as listed in Proposal 3, whichever is later.
11. May appeal these restrictions six months after implementation, or six months after the end of the most recent block for violation, whichever is later.

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 20:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Any administrator reviewing a future unblock request should also note Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xanderliptak. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 17:41, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|Your reason here}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

This user is asking that his block be reviewed:

Xanderliptak (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I am not sure why this account was blocked after it had ceased being used, but it seems to continue to be an issue so I am requesting it be unblocked. The issues seems to stem from when I suggested changes to the image policy, specifically I requested the policy be written in greater detail to avoid what I felt was uneven application by each admin. I felt that the policy was so broad that it allowed each individual admin to apply it as he sought fit, and even manipulate or abuse the policy. It was unfair then, I felt, that an admin could cite a violation of image policy against an editor for actions which were not clearly written in the image policy, but actions that the admin 'knew' violated the 'fundamentals' of that policy. An admin and a few editors grew upset with me during the process. When I began receiving threatening messages on Facebook, I abandoned this account because it was far too easy for these disgruntled editors to locate and harass me offsite. I have no want to discuss policy on Wikipedia again; there seems to be no use in addressing issues or suggesting betterment here. It seems to only cause other editors and admins to be distrustful and suspicious. It is a waste of time and will not be repeated again. I am now aware that all information and restrictions must be uploaded with the image at the time of uploading, rather than uploading the image and adding the information and restrictions to the file a couple minutes later. Though such a major issue is not addressed on the upload form (and so I could not be aware of it before hand), I am now in the know of this great dilemma and can conform to it. I also understand now that summarizing a conversation is also frowned upon, because it does not convey the entire message. I understand that all statements have some indifference and even disagreement in them, and it is inappropriate to give just the main point in someone’s statement when there are small or minor points that were also noted along side the main point. And I now understand the only way a consensus is made is by vote, and will not inappropriately apply the term consensus to things that only gained support of people knowledgeable in the field of topic. [talk] XANDERLIPTAK 03:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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• Where to begin...consensus is not a vote, for starters. You have not addressed, or even mentioned, your sockpuppetry. I also remember some dust-up surrounding licensing issues, which you may be referring to by "no want to discuss policy". I'm not seeing a lot here to work with. Tiderolls 06:25, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I am not banned from the community, mind you, and this account was blocked after I already ceased using it for a couple weeks. I am fully within my rights to create a new account so long as I cease using the previous account, and that was done. I didn't even know this account had been blocked until a couple months later when my new one was subsequently blocked because of the unresolved issues with this first one. And that was another issue because it had been created after I stopped using this one, but before the sanctions were applied. The editors who were frustrated with this account's sudden retirement insisted that some action be taken against it because they were unhappy that I simply walked away from the arguing. So sockpuppetry is rather disingenuous. And yes, there were licensing issues, which concerned whether or not a copyright holder could add further restrictions and such to a Creative Commons license. I argued I was copyright holder, therefore could add any restriction so wished so long as the Creative Commons license was still applicable; others argued such restrictions were added post upload (by a few minutes, but still post) and could not be modified; others argued the Creative Commons license is absolute as is and no modifications could be added without violating the licensing; one even argued that Creative Commons meant Wikipedia owned the images and on behalf of Wikipedia he was releasing the images to the Public Domain. But how would I address all of that? There was no absolute answer on it, and legal ownership of images, the Creative Commons licensing and editors' opinions did not all align to form any decision on it. The block was asked for because of arguments between me and other editors, the block was given because admins felt that it would appease the editors who were upset, and since then that behavior has not reoccurred. The blocks of my subsequent accounts were because I left this one unresolved, not because of any violation of policy, edit warring, argumentative behavior or any of the like, but simply because of a lack of closure. It's been two years without additional issue, that should be enough evidence that such behaviour is no longer an issue and that enough time has passed for people have moved on. [talk] XANDERLIPTAK 07:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)