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UFC 143

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This sports event fails WP:NOTNEWSPAPER policy along with WP:EVENT, WP:SPORTSEVENT, the article concentrates more on the gossip and speculation in the lead up to the event rather than the actual event it's self, there is no attempt to demonstrate any lasting significance and fails WP:PERSISTENCE as the sources are from either before or immediately post the event and are just of the routine coverage type any sports event gets. In the absence of enduring coverage as demonstrated by coverage after the initial news cycle this event can, and is, more than adequately covered in 2012 in UFC events. Mtking ^(edits) 21:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Mtking ^(edits) 21:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

• keep don't let the vandal delete this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottMMA (talk • contribs) 05:33, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
• Keep as nomination violates WP:TROLL and WP:DICK. --63.3.19.129 (talk) 17:21, 21 April 2012 (UTC) Note: Blocked User

Note: is a blocked account. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:54, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

• Keep We are now clearly seeing some of the events being very strong keeps and some are not currently as strong (UFC 149 for example) and what is happening is we are now cutting apart the single article events and supplementing them with the omnibus. This is so stupid. It's clearly ridiculous and not working. Kill the stupid omnibus and restore the single article events and all will be good and usable for everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.18.241.231 (talk) 03:27, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

• Keep The straw arguments this guy is making could be made about most sporting events on this site.Fraggy1 (talk) 20:33, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
• Keep Why an annual omnibus page for UFC events? Why not organize them by decade, or by champion, or by lunar cycle? A "2012 in UFC" page is a completely arbitrary sports page. MMA organizations have already split the sport into discrete units. There's no reason to create a new organizational system with its own internal logic apart from the sport. Dominic (talk) 00:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
• Delete The article contains mostly statistics (fight results, payouts and awards) and generally lacks "well sourced prose" as requested by WP:SPORTSEVENT for notable events. --TreyGeek (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
• Keep MtKing's arguments apply to just about every sporting event on Wikipedia. He's very clearly just someone who doesn't have any appreciation for the sport, so to him, no MMA event is notable. Optravisprime (talk) 03:39, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
• Keep Going to venture and say that this is a notable event simply for the main-event fallout alone. I'm not opposed to an omnibus, but I believe an ominbus should be in collaboration with, not replacing, event pages. Teamsleep (talk) 19:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
• Keep Plenty of reliable sources for notability. Portillo (talk) 03:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Newmanoconnor (talk) 22:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
• Keep If this and every other UFC event article are allegedly not notable, why would an omnibus article be? 145 x 0 = 0, yes? As it is, this is good. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:37, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
• Keep A lot of information from the individual pages is missing from the omnibus. An example is the salaries of fighters as reported by the Nevada Athletic Commission for UFC 143. That information is not listed on the omnibus, but is listed and referenced on the individual page. What good is the omnibus if it removes reported and verifiable information? --HatedOnMostly2000 (talk) 01:59, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Comment I encourage all those opposing deletion to read up on policies and guidelines in order to present a more cogent argument. The good news is that the deletion of a page based on a deletion discussion should only be done when there is consensus to do so.". With all of these UFC deletion discussions listed :

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 142
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 143
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 146
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC on Fox: Evans vs. Davis
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC on FX: Guillard vs. Miller

...there seems to be strong opposition to deletion for a wide range of rationale, including policies and guidelines. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:16, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Strong keep UFC events blur the line between sports and entertainment. The most similar examples are WWE professional wrestling events and those are allotted individual pages. I've argued previously that since UFC events are released onto DVD for the general public to purchase, that they qualify for Wikipedia as an entertainment product and easily pass WP: GNG. No different that listing a film or direct-to-video release. Udar55 (talk) 02:27, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Keep - Per WP:GEOSCOPE: "...Notable events usually have significant impact over a wide region, domain, or widespread societal group...". This does. International is the wide region. And, the event has a significant impact over the following groups:

• Those who follow the events
• Betting agencies
• Contestants
• People involved in the industry itself, such as promoters
• Endorsement agencies
• Advertisers
• Media organizations ranging from newspapers to television
• Competing MMA organization
• Training schools and agencies
• Professional fighter groups and camps
• Professional fighter management agencies

This event likely has a significant impact on all of these groups. Many likey use these event articles as valuable resources for research. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Strong Keep this article meets the notability requirements of both WP:SPORTSEVENT and WP:MMAEVENT. In assessing whether this event meets WP:SPORTSEVENT it is useful to note that a UFC card meets the requirements of a series, as a fight card usually contains ~12 fights. This also meets WP:SPORTSEVENT as the main event was a UFC Interim World Championship bout. It is also useful to note that in WP:MMAEVENT the UFC is considered a top tier promoter (is universally considered the number 1 promoter in the world).I emplore those making decisions on this and the myriad of other MMA pages scheduled for deletion to note that this seems to be a crusade against MMA pages by a very small number of people, and there is no consensus on deletion. Trok333 (talk) 07:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)