Talk:Birth control in the United States

A well overdue article

There is a Birth control movement in the United States article but no article on this topic. Birth control movement in the United States is a featured article, which highlights a fault with the Featured Article process. It is ludicrous that the bigger picture is ignored.

I created this article to try and fill the gap. See also Talk:Birth control movement in the United States#Split proposal. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I threw it together in a hurry to prove a point (I know - WP:POINTy) and I don't know whether the community is going to stomp on my efforts. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Move to Family Planning in United States

Suggest we move this page to the more general title Family Planning in United States, per the discussion at Talk:Birth control movement in the United States#Section titles. (That discussion predated the creation of this article.) It could still include material about birth control, but with the broader title it would more naturally cover related material like STDs, safe sex, sex education, desired family size (i.e. why people use birth control), etc. Zodon (talk) 05:43, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

• Strong oppose There is a need for both Birth control in the United States and Family planning in the United States articles. Where would Eugenics in the United States fit in otherwise. You cannot really call it family planning! And we may have to fit Sexual revolution in 1960s America in somewhere. Also, WP is not paper. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Possibly both articles might make sense eventually. However at this point there isn't enough material in this article for one article, let alone two. It would be fairly difficult to differentiate between two such articles in terms of where new material should be added; especially so if the articles are not already well formed. Once the article is more fully developed, then it might well warrant splitting. Without having the article here it is impossible to say whether splitting along the line mentioned above makes sense, or whether splitting on some other basis makes more sense. (e.g. splitting out the history coverage, etc.) Attempting to grow them both in parallel would also slow article development, especially given the small number of editors who recently have shown interest and expertise in this area. (Better one more developed article that develops faster than several stubs.)

Certainly one can cover much of what would be in the family planning article here, but it would be external to the topic (i.e., how it relates to other things), whereas in an article on family planning it would be within the topic. Thus might meet opposition/pruning by editors claiming it is off topic.

So even if the ultimate goal is to have two such articles, for now I suggest that starting with the more inclusive topic will facilitate article growth, hastening the day (should it come) when both such articles might exist.

Eugenics is mostly a factor in history, and not particularly central to either contraception or family planning. I don't see how it would be any harder to cover in an article on family planning than on birth control. Eugenicists advocated things like selecting mates and who should reproduce based on some measure(s) of fitness. Sounds like planning families to me. Now some of their methods were certainly oppressive of reproductive rights, so it doesn't fit well within modern views on family planning, which tend to emphasize such rights. But "the past is like a foreign country, they do things differently there."

Don't know what problem fitting in the sexual revolution in 1960s America is. Sure, that article is poorly developed, but some think that sexual revolution was sparked partly by newly available methods of contraception. The revolution included definite changes in views of family, (increased acceptance of unmarried parenthood, decrease in domestic adoptions, etc.), changes in reproductive roles, etc. Seems pretty easy to tie the topic in to article on either birth control or family planning. Zodon (talk) 05:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)