Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of the Most Populous metropolitan areas in Peru (2nd nomination)

List of the Most Populous metropolitan areas in Peru

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Original research Cmonzonc (talk) 03:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep and improve – per WP:DEL-REASON. This nomination is too vague, and has no qualification for its basis. Northamerica1000^(talk) 13:49, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Sourced by unreliable material and he makes an original research with primary sources, in the source of population do not talk about metropolitan areas, and the user make a sum to his understanding, has several errors. This is an original research, It does not have enough references, and in fact there are unreliable, even one of them is a blog. With regard to the "population" of the same this is not verifiable, about the same article in other languages, all were created by the same IP, there seems to be making a claim that information like true or trustworthy. The same article has been deleted in the Spanish Wikipedia for be an original research, because the only reference reliable has populations by districts, and not by metropolitan areas.

From the population by districts are recreating the metropolitan population, which is not correct because the metropolitan areas are not defined by a conglomeration of districts, the metropolitan areas in Peru are actually a cluster of developments or neighborhood. In conclusion, it is using a primary source to recreate information incorrectly. This article can be replaced by an article that talks about the populations of districts or provinces.--Cmonzonc (talk) 22:16, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Peru-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

• Keep and improve. It´s clearly seen that most of the sources used are government planning documents of municipalities of the cities and official census estimates of peruvian government. The user seems to make use about official documentation for the article. This is useful information but It is recommended to make an improve.--Antodeabout (talk) 02:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

• Delete. The goverment statitics talk about districts, provinces, and do not talk about "metropolitan areas", that population was calculated for the editor of the article. In almost cases, the districts are not completely include in the metropolitan area and that population is a simple calculation done with a wrong approach. For that reason Wikipedia is not a primary source.In this case are using a primary source, census results. He is doing research, a shoddy investigation, with erroneous criteria to generate metropolitan populations based on census data (a primary source).

Wikipedia:No original research: Further examples of primary sources include archeological artifacts, census results, video or transcripts of surveillance, public hearings, investigative reports, trial/litigation in any country

--Cmonzonc (talk) 03:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

• Please don't format your subsequent comments as if they are new !votes by new contributors; I've struck through your duplicate "delete" accordingly. postdlf (talk) 03:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: Cmonzonc, it seems you're wrong; the user is not making an original research, it seems he's presenting the information of estimated population given officially by peruvian government and he uses official documents of plannings of cities for metropolitan areas. It seems he's using the same methodology as peruvian government for metropolitan areas as it can be seen here in the next table of the reference about Lima metropolitan population given by peruvian government that is considering all population of the districts that form Lima metropolitan area, on the contrary that you say. Do We believe to you or to the peruvian government?--Antodeabout (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
• I didn't remember at first that I had commented on the first AFD for this, by the same nominator. He never responded there to my suggestion for fixing it according to his criticism, so I'll repeat it here: "So convert this to Metropolitan areas of Peru to explain the classification and describe the three MAs; remove everything that's not officially a metropolitan area; and create a List of distritos of Peru with a sortable population column. Would that work?" postdlf (talk) 17:06, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. Ok, your propose is good idea, because only exists officialy three metropolitan areas unfortunatly no exist a official population in Arequipa and Trujillo, and in the case of the population INEI don't provide a population, only provide population by districts, cities, and indirectly the population of Lima Metropolitana (Lima+Callao), the only official reference in 2012 is this, according that reference the Metropolitan Area of Lima has a population of 9 450 585 inhabitants, the rest are only primary source, and this is not the same of the sum of all district according the primary source used in Arequipa and Trujillo In the Arequipa case, exists districts that have a non-metropolitan population ¿How calculate the population, if one don't know what percent of people of one district are inside the metropolitan or not?. I suggest create the list of districts, other list of provinces, delete this and create and article for each of the metropolitan areas.--Cmonzonc (talk) 19:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)