User talk:DownRightMighty

Hi DRM, Can you kindly point me to the edits you made? I don't see them, but perhaps I'm mistaken. Thanks, OO

You are very funny; however, vandalism is not tolerated on Wikipedia. --DownRightMighty (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi DRM.

I am new-ish to Wikipedia. I got your message but I don't know how or where to respond, so I hope writing here is appropriate.

I am confused by your accusations about me having multiple accounts and harassing you. You are sorely mistaken.

I am considering whether or not it would be constructive to engage in dialogue with you about our edits/reversals on the Mercy Ministries page. At the moment, I am leaning towards a "no" on this, but I will let you know if that changes.

Miss Sherry Bobbins — Preceding unsigned comment added by MissSherryBobbins (talk • contribs) 09:37, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Although I have edited Wikipedia before (several years ago without creating an account), I am "newish" as well. I should point out that although you may feel that your edits were useful, they were not. I introduced information into the article and removed others based on the talk page information. There were concerns with information being from a neutral point of view and also your edits re-introduced maintenance tags, removed the logo, and also reverted content back to what the issue was in the first place. You should not "lean towards a no" without even knowing me. So far, I have introduced well-sourced factual information into the article, you have removed it and left the article in a poor condition which is where it was when I edited it. I would be more than happy to discuss any information that you would like; however, you removing all of the edits that were done without even a reason for why you did it will not be tolerated. Please tell me what information you do not agree with and we can see if we can reach a consensus. --DownRightMighty (talk) 20:43, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Multiple accounts

Regarding your comment/question at WP:RFPP on multiple accounts: multiple accounts are allowed, but they cannot be used deceptively (to look like more than one person is contributing to the same article/discussion), nor can they be used to "stack" discussions. Please note that you generally shouldn't accuse other editors of operating multiple accounts without evidence. What other accounts do you believe User:MissSherryBobbins is or has operated? I would be happy to look at what you think you've found; if you have evidence, there's a process we can follow to investigate further. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:44, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I made the accusation as right after Miss Bobbins reverted the information in the article, the condescending comments "Can you kindly point me to the edits you made? I don't see them, but perhaps I'm mistaken" were left above on my talk page. This was the only comment from that user and it was based on me stating on my user page that I created an account to edit the article. I did create an account as I see multiple edits made to the page from IP addresses so I wanted to make sure that my edits were out in the open and not secret like others tend to be with their edits to the article. From the history of the article, there tends to be plenty of edit warring and you are correct with your comments on the talk page. There is probably too much information that I put in the article but I guess that I can talk it out with Miss Bobbins or request consensus for anything we cannot. My concern is that Wikipedia are using Wikipedia to make a point or to be disruptive. From the history of the edits, people are using the article to make a point and disrupt Wikipedia because of the something they either have against the organization or someone within the organization. Either way, I apologize you had to get involved. I will be happy to discuss the issues with Bobbins and go through the normal consensus channels if needed. The multiple account issues is something you can look at if you want, but I am confident based on my previous statement that these accounts are connected and more than likely the same person. Why else would one reverse all of the content and then the newly created account with only one edit, on my talk page, made to rub in that they reversed the edits. This is truly disrupting Wikipedia. --DownRightMighty (talk) 20:43, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I still don't understand. MissSherryBobbins edited the article, and she left a message for you above. That's one named account. What is the name of the other account you think she is using?

As for the more general issue, what I think is actually happening is that both you and MSB are attempting to use Wikipedia to promote an agenda. You're trying to "defend" the organization, while MSB is trying to damage it. Neither is appropriate, but, in rare cases, having two strong opposing viewpoints can result in a balanced article. It's especially promising that you're willing to talk through the issue, as that is the key to producing a good article. No need to apologize for involving me; I'm volunteering my time on Wikipedia, and choose what and where to work, just like you. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

2 Accounts - Sorry I did not point it out earlier. The comment left at the top of the page started with "Hi" and at the end it was manually signed "OO." There was no Wikipedia signature so I looked at the history of the talk page [1]. You can see from the history that the comment was left by "Ollyoxen" which can also be attributed to the "OO." This was the same time that MSB reverted the content. MSB second comment on my talk page is started and formatted in the same manner as "Ollyoxen." That is why the accusation as if it is a coincident that MSB and OO are NOT the same person, then maybe they can provide me with the lottery numbers for tonight.

Consensus - Understanding the consensus policy of Wikipedia, I am pleased that you have allowed us to continue dialogue to address the issue. I am more concerned about the 2nd account now since MSB denies it. However, I will continue the dialogue to see if a consensus can be reached. Thanks. --DownRightMighty (talk) 20:51, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see now--I didn't notice that separate user. Well, in this case, there's no problem. While, yes, Ollyoxen may well be the same pers as MSB, the accounts haven't been used in violation of WP:SOCK (the multiple account policy). Ollyoxen, in fact, hasn't made any edits other than the one single edit to your talk page. As such, we can't say that the Ollyoxen account is being used to deceive, or to avoid sanctions, or to make a discussion look like it has more support than it actually does. Users can actually have more than one account as long as there is a legitimate reason for doing so that isn't deceptive. My guess is that the person registered one account, then forgot the password or decided they didn't like the name, and so just registered another. As long as Ollyoxen doesn't edit again, then we can just ignore it. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again. I am slow to agree that it was an errant mistake on the part of MSB. I will however assume good faith and do as you suggest, and just ignore it. I hope to reach a consensus on the article as there does appear to be quite a bit of disruptive editing over the years. I will leave you alone and take up the fight on the talk page as well as introduce the independent and reliable sources as you suggested. I would like to leave you with one thing: I reviewed the SOCK information that you provided and at the end of the page there is a link to an essay about recognizing multiple account activity [2]. Again, I will assume good faith but ask that you take a look at the edit and talk history of the MMOA page. There are a lot of comments by accounts that are left unsigned. They state that they were signed by a "bot" which means they keep forgetting to click on the signature link. This is the same type of behavior exhibited by MSB. Finally, many of the comments on the talk page that leave off the signature or have a signature from an account with only MMOA edits start by stating the name of the person being addressed. Although this is probably done by many editors on Wikipedia, there is a resemblance here. I want a consensus here, not an edit war with a single person using multiple accounts. --DownRightMighty (talk) 01:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)