Talk:Jatav

Jatav community

= Jatav belongs to schedule caste

References are provided. Please do not delete.

65.88.88.92 (talk)bal537 —Preceding undated comment added 19:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC).

Jatav and Chamar are subcaste of Dalit Caste (official term in Indian constitution for Dalit Caste is "Schedule Caste") Dalit. Please look at the page 8 of the reference for difference between Jatav and Chamar http://www.pwescr.org/Dalit_Report.pdf. Therefore, "Jatav is a sub-caste of Schedule Caste" is the correct statement.-- MartianGuru (talk) 15:59, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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I disagree, Chamars who reside in the state of Uttar Pradesh are called Jatavs. Please do a google search on the text "Jatav Chamar".

Also see the following links:

http://dspace.vidyanidhi.org.in:8080/dspace/bitstream/2009/6265/1/PNJ-1990-012-Prelim.pdf

http://www.everyculture.com/South-Asia/Jatav-History-and-Cultural-Relations.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=igfd9YYCqf8C&pg=PA495&lpg=PA495&dq=jatav+caste+chamar&source=bl&ots=7WUF2p__E0&sig=9xZsM3dLeT0F9oiMO3uD9yVRdf4&hl=en&ei=aiqfTeaoHoaE0QHwzsWEBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBDgU#v=onepage&q=jatav%20caste%20chamar&f=false

~~bal537

Jatav are neither called Chamar nor subcaste of Chamar but they are subcaste of Schedule caste. regarding your references: >>1. http://dspace.vidyanidhi.org.in:8080/dspace/bitstream/2009/6265/1/PNJ-1990-012-Prelim.pdf this is not a trusted source. it is just a report created by someone named Archana Bhatnagar(kapoor) and that report also say that "A schedule caste in a urban setting :" . both Chamar and Jatav are part of schedule caste.

2. everyculture.com : it is just a private site which is created by taking content from other sited like wikipedia.

MartianGuru (talk) 15:27, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

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More reliable sources can be viewed by searching Google Books that lists countless books/articles listing Jatavs as Chamars: http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=jatav+chamar&btnG=Search+Books

Plus see matrimonial profiles of actual members of the jatav community who list themselves as Jatav/Chamar: http://bandhan.com/female/jatav/chamar/

~~bal537 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bal537 (talk • contribs) 23:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Recent move of article

I am Sitush, currently contributing as an IP due to not being at home. Abstruce has moved this article from Jatav to Jatava. The edit summary says As per -> 'India. Office of the Registrar General. Census of India, 1961, Volume 15, Part 6, Issue 4.' { http://books.google.co.in/books?id=JMnUAAAAMAAJ&q=Jatavas#search_anchor } Also, http://www.google.com/search?q=Jatavas&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1. The preceding edit summary (same diff) changed the name to Jatava throughout the article, claiming "Officially known as Jatava(s) ...".

WP:COMMONNAME says, inter alia, that

Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. If the name of a person, group, object, or other article topic changes, then more weight should be given to the name used in reliable sources published after the name change than in those before the change.

I have reverted the naming within the article and I contest the move itself. My rationale includes:

• that the name is official is irrelevant per our policy
• that it is official is also dubiously weighted. The Indian Ministry of Home Affairs website hosts this document. I looked at it a couple of days ago and the situation does not appear to confirm "official" status because some entries refer to both names, some to more than these two, and some to one or the other. Alas, the site has yet again gone AWOL, at least in the UK. The AWOL-ness is a frequent problem for nic.in-hosted websites viewed from the UK but hopefully I can present a detailed analysis before too long.
• the sources currently favour the use of Jatav
• Searches using Google etc can easily produce skewed results but there are substantial variations. Abstruce's own Google Books url viewed from the UK shows 784 mentions to "Jatavas". Revising the search term gives:
  • 9540 for "Jatava"
  • 13,000 for "Jatav"
  • 16,700 for "Jatavs".

A check of how India media such as The Hindu and The Times of India refer to the community might be interesting, although fraught with many of the same problems that affect Google search results.--2.219.218.79 (talk) 00:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)