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Hello, all morning i am trying to explain that in here [[Old Church Slavonic]] in english and russian they have missed out to say: Old Church Slavonic is also know as Old Bulgarian. As simple as that. In all the other languages the sentense Old Bulgarian is Old Church Slavonic is present but not in English and Russian. I want to corrigate that becouse it should say it as it is and not leave out true facts.
The most bad part is that if you clcik on Macedonian and Swedish(i think it was swedish) you will se that it is called Old Macedonian and not Old Bulgarian, this is full non sense and I dont know why you have allowed people who dont know anything about history to right in the enciclopedia.
And know i just saw they wrote Old Bulgarian and Old Macedonian!! I cant take this any more why are you people making fun if this country?????

Please correct the mistaces and get someone that knows history couse I am trying all day to corrigate this non sense!

I want to complain to the autoroties or something couse i fed up with this making fun of my country. This is pure mocking of Bulgaria!!!!
You can contact someone that nows history and check it and see thats the truth and stop making fun of me and my country with your non sense messages!!!

If you cant help me tell me to who to turn to couse this problem haves to be fixed right away!!! You cant leave out facts, change or even MAKE history!!! It is how it is!!!


I am hoping you will do something couse i dont know what to do and who to turn to!!! I feel extreamly insulted by this website neglect!!! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bettkata|Bettkata]] ([[User talk:Bettkata|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bettkata|contribs]]) 15:39, 2 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:1) Other wikis are not [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. If other wikis decide to jump off a bridge, EnWiki won't automatically do the same.
:2) Old Macedonian as an alternative for Old Church Slavonic is sourced to a book. Do you have sources that show that the names are not connected?
:3) If you have a strong nationalistic bias you shouldn't edit articles if that bias leads you to edit in a [[WP:NPOV|non-neutral fashion]].
:Please state your case on the articles talk page, so other wikipedians can join in the discussion. We can't be held responsible for hurt feelings if reliable sources claim something contrary to your personal beliefs. [[User:Jarkeld|Jarkeld]] ([[User talk:Jarkeld#top|talk]]) 15:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)



This are not my personal beliefs, this is not nationalistic bias..... I cant belive you people, thank for nothing!
I am going to collect all the sources i can find and send them to you, and did you even know about the part that in that time Macedonia did not EXIST it was part of Bulgaria, so there isnt any Old Macedonian languiage? Did you know abput the 10 macedonian lies against Bulgaria? How thwy say the language is macedonian, the kings are macedonian and etc.... I guess you didnt!!! How did you allowed them to right this and even connect it with a book!!! I am going to fight and find everything i can and when i do i except your apolygise - you dont know anything about this countries and the history and yet again you are so determent to proove i have "personal believs", "nationalistic bias", thats this is an act of "vandalism" etc.... <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bettkata|Bettkata]] ([[User talk:Bettkata|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bettkata|contribs]]) 16:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Please read [[WP:V|this piece]] on verifiability. Do you have proof for any of your statements? If so please list them. As I see it you are not able to edit with a neutral point of view and are using [[WP:OR|original research]] and [[WP:SYNTH|synthesis]]. [[User:Jarkeld|Jarkeld]] ([[User talk:Jarkeld#top|talk]]) 16:47, 2 December 2012 (UTC)



Thank you for the articles i am reading them now, yes i can proof every word i said, but first i have to gather all the sourses, articles and books i can find in order to show you! I will write to you again here as soon as i gather more information about everything, for know i will write what i found first, thank you!

In the Old Church Slavonic in bulgarian you have this:

Допълнителна литература [редактиране]

Граматика на старобългарския език, БАН, София, 1993
Увод в изучаване на южнославянските езици, БАН, София, 1986
Иван Гълъбов, Старобългарски език с увод в славянското езикознание, София, 1980
Иван Добрев, Старобългарска граматика — теория на основите, София, 1982
Иван Дуриданов, Граматика на старобългарския език. Фонетика. Морфология. Синтаксис. (Гл. ред. и автор) - София, 1991, стр. 16, 87-97, 538-539, 549-557
Иван Дуриданов, Старобългарският език в синхрония и диахрония. В: Славянска филология: Т. 19. Езикознание. - София, 1988, стр. 5-18
Кирил Мирчев, Старобългарски език — кратък граматичен очерк, София, 1972
Стефан Младенов, История на българския език, БАН, София, 1979
Vittore Pisani. "Old Bulgarian Language".Sofia, Bukvitza, 2012. ISBN 978-954-92858, English, Bulgarian, Italian

from this article http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BA

you can google translate it!

And also in the Old Church Slavonic article in italian, spanish, portuguese, french - in the bottom are all of the books that support what i said, check them out and you will see that this is Old Bulgarian a.k.a. Old Church Slavonic (nothing to do with old Macedonian) and check History of Macedonia if you like and see there was no Macedonia in this period and please dont let people make things up!

The only ones that believe that its old macedonian and not old bulgarian are people from Macedonia - read the book they have than all the others and you will see, and also in the chronicles found - Greek, Bulgarian etc there is sad Old Bulgarian, when i find more information and articles i will send them to you!!! I need to look for this chronicles! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bettkata|Bettkata]] ([[User talk:Bettkata|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bettkata|contribs]]) 17:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


I also found this:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/426815/Old-Bulgarian-language
and this:
http://lyudmilantonov.blogspot.com.es/2011/02/history-of-bulgarian-language.html
and this:
http://lyudmilantonov.blogspot.com.es/2011/03/bulgarian-language-and-other-slavic.html
this one:
http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0

When i find more i will let you know! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bettkata|Bettkata]] ([[User talk:Bettkata|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bettkata|contribs]]) 17:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Please remember: blogs are not reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. [[User:Jarkeld|Jarkeld]] ([[User talk:Jarkeld#top|talk]]) 18:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I will, but also - only one book isnt a reliable source - you have only one book in witch there is ONLY ONE SENTENSE saying -you can also say Old Macedonian - thats it nothing more!!! Thats surtenly not a reliable source, and one more thing the pages I send you where not only websites some of them are books! Please check them out!!!
I will send more! Thank you. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bettkata|Bettkata]] ([[User talk:Bettkata|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bettkata|contribs]]) 19:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Here some more sources:

Cyrillo-Methodian Encyclopedia. Vol.1 (1985); Vol. 2 (1995); Vol. 3 and 4 (2003).
Series “Starobulgarska Literatura” (Old Bulgarian Literature) (38 volumes published to date).
Series Old Bulgarian Literature:
Vol. 1. Apocrypha. Editor: D. Petkanova (1981)
Vol. 2. Rhetoric. Editor: L. Grasheva (1982)
Vol. 3. Historical Writings. Editor: Iv. Bozhilov (1983)
Vol. 4. Vitae. Editor: Kl. Ivanova (1986)
Vol. 5. Natural History. Editor: A. Miltenova (1992).
Angelov, B. St. From the History of Old Bulgarian, Russian, and Serbian Literature. Vol. 1-3. (1958-1978); Struggle for the Legacy of Cyril and Methodius (1969); Cyril and Methodius - founders of Slavic Script (1969); From the History of Russian-Bulgarian Literary Relations. Vol.1- 2. (1972-1980); Russian and Southern Slavic Literary Relations (1980); Medieval Bulgarian Writers. (1981); Medieval Bulgarian Literary Legacy (1983).
Dinekov, P. Pages from the history of Old Bulgarian literature. Anthology (1966, 1968); From the History of Bulgarian literature (1969); Between My Own Kind and Others (1969); At the Sources of Bulgarian Culture (1977); Between Folklore and Literature (1978); Encomium of Old Bulgarian Literature (1979, 1988) Literature and Culture (1982); Problems of Old Bulgarian Literature (1996).
Ivanova, Kl. Bulgarian, Serbian, and Moldo-Wallachian Cyrillic Manuscripts in M. P. Pogodin’s collection (1981).
Studies in the Field of Literature and Folklore: a volume dedicated toAcad. P. Dinekov on his 70th anniversary (1983).
Kozhuharov, St. Description of the Slavonic Manuscripts in the Library of the Zograf Monastery on Mount Athos. Vol.1, with B. Raykov and Hr. Kodov (1985); Problems of the Old Bulgarian Poetry. Volume 1. (2004).
Bulgarian Literature in the Thirteenth Century. Editors: St. Kojhuharov, Iv. Bojhilov (1987).
Catalogue of the Slavonic Manuscripts in the Library of the Zograf Monastery on Mount Athos. Editors: B. Raykov, St. Kozhuharov, H. Miklas, Hr. Kodov (1994).
Computer processing of Medieval Slavic Manuscripts. Proceedings (1996).
Tapkova-Zaimova, V., Miltenova, A. Historical and Apocalyptical Literature in Byzantium and Medieval Bulgaria (1996).
Medieval Studies and cultural anthropology. Collection of essays in honour of the 40 years of work of prof. Donka Petkanova (1998).
Medieval Slavic Manuscripts and SGML. Problems and Perspectives (2000).
Computational Approaches to the Study of Early and Modern Slavic Languages and Texts (2003).
Computer Applications in Slavic Studies: Proceedings of Azbuky.NET International Conference and Workshop 24-27 October 2005, Sofia, Bulgaria (2006).
Getov, Dorotej. A Catalogue of Greek Liturgical Manuscripts in the "Ivan Dujcev Center for Slavo-Byzantine Studies". Pontificio Istituto Orientale, Roma 2007 [= Orientalia Christiana Analecta 279].
Stankova, Radoslava. Serbian Literature from the 13th century (context and text) (2007).
Christian Hagiology and Pagan Believes. Collection in Honour of Elena Kotseva (2008).
History of Mediaeval Bulgarian Literature / Comp. A. Miltenova (2008).
Slovo : Towards a digital library of South Slavic manuscripts. Procceedings of the international conference, 21-26 February, 2008.
:Please start any sources you'd like me to look at with a * or :, that makes it easier to read. For books and such please provide the page where your evidence can be found.
:More sources for Old Macedonian:
:*Benjamin W. Fortson. Indo-European Language and Culture: An Introduction, pg. 374: {{quote|Macedonian was not distinguished from Bulgarian for most of its history. Constantine and Methodius themselves came from Macedonian Thessalonika; their Old Bulgarian is therefore at the same time "Old Macedonian".}}
:*R. E. Asher, J. M. Y. Simpson. The Encyclopedia of Language and Linguistics, pg. 429
:* Dmitrij Cizevskij. Comparative History of Slavic Literatures, pg. 26: {{quote|The brothers knew the Old Bulgarian or Old Macedonian dialect spoken around Thessalonica.}} [[User:Jarkeld|Jarkeld]] ([[User talk:Jarkeld#top|talk]]) 19:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

If you must know Macedonian was not distinguished from Bulgarian becouse Macedonian language begun its exsistence in 1999 when Bulgaria and the other countries excepted it and even today its not trully excepted from Bulgaria and Greece due to the fact that Macedonian is a Bulgarian dialect!
Before that in the early middle ages (around 3-5th century) there was an ancient macedonian which had nothing to do with Old Bulgarian. The hole confusement cames from the fact that Macedonia is a region!!! And it was a region way before a country with the same name appiered!!! The brothers where born in the region called Macedonia, so am I if you must know, and this region is still called this way - its in Bulgaria, Greece and Macedonia. Back then in this times when the alphabet appiered there was only one empire existing in this lands - The First Bulgarian empire and this is why its called Old Bulgarian Language, becouse Tzar Boris I ordered the brothers to make a language for the BULGARIANS in the BULGARIAN EMPIRE, no such macedonians where existing, and i told you there is even a book called the 10 macedonian lies i am sending you a link. Furthemore how can there be Old Macedonian when Macedonia is an existing country sense the end of the 20th century? Before that the lands where part of Bulgaria... The only Macedonia that was exsisting was a Greek kingdom called like this in ancient times when they spoke this so called Old Macedonian - but it was a Greek dialect and it haves nothing to do with the 9-11th history of the Old Church Slavonic also know as Old Bulgarian!!! I also told you couple of times that in ALL the other languages it is called OLD BULGARIAN and in the refences of the books you can see it but you still refuse to believe me and you continue arguing with some make believe facts from books from unknown people!!! If i send you a book that says that America is part of Afganistan you will believe it, huh, and you will change Wikipadia?

Macedonian language - a Bulgarian dialect still spoken in the Macedonian region - Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece. The dialect formed from the Old Bulgarian, than Bulgarian language and like in Spain we have the people from Madrid - castellano and the people from Pais Basco - speaking Basco but its still Spanish her we have the same - in Bulgaria there are several dialects and macedonian is one of them.
Macedonia is a region and there is also a country called Macedonia since 1991! The country Macedonia have always used the bulgarian language but the problem is that now they are saying wrong things - oh, and one more thing - the so called Ohrid School where they spread the language was part of the Bulgarian Empire, check it!!!

And one more thing you say wikipedia is not a good source but then w3hy did ypou send me the books that are described in wikipedias sources?


Here is the link to the books:
http://www.promacedonia.org/pdf/mirchev_starobalgarski_ezik.pdf - you have to translate this - from page 9 to page 15.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_nationalism - the books are in the end you can choose

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Policies_on_the_Republic_of_Macedonia - same here

http://www.scribd.com/doc/107841186/Vittore-Pisani-mater-Europa11111 - you should pay attention to this book!!! the first 2-3 pages are enought!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bozhidar_Dimitrov - you can see the books in the end of the article




you have to google translate the first one - how can you trust sources written form unknown authors that are from some other country and have no actual idea about the country or its history? The person that called the language Old Macedonian did not see that the lands where part of the FIRST BULGARIAN EMPIRE and that the two brothers did the language becouse Tzar Boris I wanted to unite his people - he made the Bulgarian Church and ordered the bulgarian language so that his people can understand what is written in the Bible!!!

You dont know anything about Macedonia nor Bulgaria and you are not the correct editor with who i should speak - I need a editor that knows the history and can truly guide and help me!!!

One more thing - how much and did Macedonia "payd" so that you dont change what i wrote? And who allowed this person to wrote what he did? You all seem soo determend when someone wants to change something but you allwed this person to violent Bulgarias history!!! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bettkata|Bettkata]] ([[User talk:Bettkata|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bettkata|contribs]]) 22:09, 2 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:1) Listen VERY carefully: you link to wikipedia pages. Those are not reliable. Point to the sources that verify your statements in stead.
:2) If you make accusations of being "payd" (sic) by "Macedonia": please back those up with evidence otherwise please refrain from making untrue allegations. [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|Personal attacks]] will be reported to the proper authorities.
:3) Learn to link: [[WP:LINK|here]].
:4) Dimitrov's book seems very non-npov and nationalistic and most likely isn't a reliable source. Going to look for a few viewpoints on his work.
:5) The scribd link seems interesting, but I need a bit more time to research it.
:6) Bulgarian policies: primary source and as such unusable. Very likely non-npov as are most links at Macedonian Nationalism: your viewpoint vs. their viewpoint.
:7) Promacedonia link: can't read it, the translation doesn't allow me to accurately read it. Other editors need to analyse that one.
:8) The two brothers article doesn't mention Boris I as ordering the creation of the language. The language already existed, they devised a way to transcribe it.
:[[User:Jarkeld|Jarkeld]] ([[User talk:Jarkeld#top|talk]]) 22:49, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

1.) I link to wikipedia pages becouse in them in the bottom you have the references and the footnotes - i dont know how to write them here in a way that you can open them. And i do so becouse the 3 books that you send me where references from wikipedia also!
2.) I asked i didnt make an accusation. You where the ones that made several accusation to me through out the day - about me making vandalism by adding this: Old Church Slavonic also known as Old Bulgarian. Than i was accused of disputive behaviur - and this was the only thing i wrote, nothing more. Than nationalistic bias, then i dont know what else. I think you should be reported to the proper authoroties for letting someone write this stuff, and than offending with no reason (the only thing i said was that i dont think you are the proper person for this subject and that i feel like you are extreamly determend to proof something thats not reliable) and so determenetly avoiding what i am telling you - that you have only 3 books each one with one sentense saying Old Macedonian in a strange way, and no actual proof!!!
In order to show you that this is not the first time there was a Macedonian - Bulgarian problem i send you the articles about the mecodonism and etc becouse this is not the first time there have been argues about re-writhen history facts - i dont think i should say who is the one making them.
4.) I am also going to search for more info about this.
5.) - 7.) Ok , i will find more articles and i hope you find someone who can translate them to you
8.) I saw where is the problem : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_I_of_Bulgaria it says their students made the Cyrilic and yes his name is there but not why he wanted this. I will search for articles in books in english so that i can show why i think so.

In the next days I will search for more books and send them to you for everything,

You did not tell me - why did Wiki believe that the Old Macedonian fact was true?
You said yourself that Wikipedia is not a reliable source for information - so why did you write old macedonian in the article for Old Chrch Slavonic when it we dont have reliable sources?
How come in all the other languages except English, Russian and specially Macedonian its not sad that Old Church Slavonic is Old Bulgarian?
I will read their references too and see if i can find some on my own becouse its not easy finding scanned books in the internet about this - as i see from earlier i can't give you names of books, i have to give you links where you can read it - this may take a while.

I would never argue if i wasnt shure of what i know, and if I didnt felt like people are leaving or creating history infront of me!!!

Lets say this is enought for today, when i have more articles i will send them! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bettkata|Bettkata]] ([[User talk:Bettkata|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bettkata|contribs]]) 00:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I just wanted to add this article witch is again about the macedonism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuil the last section and this is the source: http://www.macedoniainfo.com/10_Lies_Macedonism2.htm - ^ An outline of Macedonian history from ancient times to 1991. Macedonian Embassy London. Retrieved on 2007-04-28.
And in there we have again the 10 lies so i guess someone in Wiki padia checked them and saw they where reable enouth for the Samuil Article, i HOPE now you see they are enought reable for fixing this problems!!! And by the way the oerson who wrote them - Bojidar Dimitrov and you can use every Footnote from this article to verify what i am saying. Also the onse from The Old Church Slavonic but in the other languages. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bettkata|Bettkata]] ([[User talk:Bettkata|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bettkata|contribs]]) 01:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Here are some other books but i guess someone should translate:
Ив. Гълъбов Старобългарски език с увод в славянското езикознание, С. 1980 г., стр. 39.
Ек. Дограмаджиева Нова, оригинална разработка на въпросите на старобългарския език в сп. Paleobulgarica, 4, 1980 г., стр. 117.
Ек. Дограмаджиева Структура на старобългарското сложно съчинено изречение, С., 1968 г., стр. 201.
Ив. Гълъбов Старобългарски език с увод в славянското езикознание, С. 1980, стр. 85-86.
Ив. Гълъбов, пос. съч., стр. 89-90.
Ив. Гълъбов, пос. съч., стр. 91.

I found one of the books in english i guess http://www.faber-bg.com/index.php?lng=EN&mod=books_item&show=65
We can also contact this people: http://www.ibl.bas.bg/en/departments_en3.htm
I also think this book is ok : http://www.booksbg.org/booksbg/component/remository/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%83%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0/%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F/%D0%91%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D1%85%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4-%D0%BE%D1%82-2137-%D0%BF%D1%80.-%D0%A5%D1%80.-%D0%B4%D0%BE-1453-%D1%81%D0%BB.-%D0%A5%D1%80./ you need it only arounf the 9th-11th century in order to find solutions for the problems.
I guess this needs translation: http://www.promacedonia.org/st_ja/stojanov_janakiev.pdf
I will search for books here; http://www.worldlanguage.com/Languages/Bulgarian.htm <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bettkata|Bettkata]] ([[User talk:Bettkata|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bettkata|contribs]]) 02:15, 3 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Hello, it's Makes no Sansa. My article submission about Chris Webby was declined by you. I know I should have waited a bit and completed it before submitting it. I've done it now, would you kindly tell me what you think about it? I edited the duplicate submission, I mean, if you're going to delete it, don't do it, because that's the one I've edited most recently. You can delete the first one, though.

I've added information and sources, but the article lacks a photo. I'll add one once it's been moved to the Article section.

Thans for your attention! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Makes no Sansa|Makes no Sansa]] ([[User talk:Makes no Sansa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Makes no Sansa|contribs]]) 20:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Extra Credit ==

Hello Jarkeld, I saw your message on my talk page before you removed it. I do agree the information you removed was not neutral and it did need better sources. From a google news search, there also doesn't appear to be any [[WP:RS|reliable third party sources]] on the topic, so at this point I don't think inclusion of the information is warranted. As for my wikibreak, I am away much of the time, but as of late I have been trying to check back at least once every two weeks. Best wishes, [[User:Alpha Quadrant|<span style="color:#000070; font-family:Times New Roman">Alpha_Quadrant</span>]] [[User talk:Alpha Quadrant|<span style="color:#00680B; font-family:Times New Roman">(talk)</span>]] 23:07, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks for your reply. I've also asked DGG for input and I'm going to see if I can do something with the section when I've got a bit more time.
:But eventually it comes down to: without reliable sources it shouldn't be in the article. [[User:Jarkeld|Jarkeld]] ([[User talk:Jarkeld#top|talk]]) 00:26, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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