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Should write something about the Ford Pantera, you guys really don't have many car articles on here

That's a different Pantera MrHate 03:53, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

Yes this is the BAND Pantera dumbass. That's why we're talking about singles and radio play and crap like that. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:30, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This looks to be copyrighted - see http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/pantera/bio.jhtml The same person who did this, also did KoЯn, which may also be copyrighted, as well as several others which look copyrighted that I've not checked yet (Primus_(band), Faith No More, Journey). I don't have time to clean them all up now - I'd appreciate it if somebody else could. --Camembert

Camembert, I did that before I even saw your comment here. :-) -- Zoe

I was pretty sure somebody would sort them out without me saying anything, but I thought I'd stick a note here just in case they slipped through the net. Thanks for doing the dirty work, Zoe (oh, and mav too) :-) --Camembert

Vandalism

There's been an anonymous user inserting "Douchbag" Darrell into the page at random places as well as adding random profanities. The vandalism has been removed a few times but if it continues, I think we should consider locking the page temporarily. Any thoughts? MrHate 03:53, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

No objections here. And sorry about insulting other users. Bad day. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Changes

Well, I've made all of the changes I can think of making right now. What do you guys think? I'm sure it still has the chance to be expanded upon further, but I don't have much else to go by. Nufy8 22:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No one has any comments? :P Nufy8 04:24, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see how Pantera's greatest influence were the classic bay area thrash bands. While the song structures may be more or less similar, the vocals, the heavy and relatively slow guitar riffs as well are the drumwork are obviously hardcore influenced. Anselmo himself said that they were influenced mainly by hardcore bands... I don't see any reference to this in your article.

Where does it say that the Big Four of Thrash are their greatest influences? It merely says Pantera emerged from them, i.e., that as classic thrash was winding down, its influenced transferred substantially into Pantera's rise. I'm not denying that they have other influences (see the references to Rob Halford and Judas Priest), which may include hardcore; it says right on AMG's biography (and this article, for that matter) that the vocals resemble a hardcore sound. However, if Anselmo did say that their main influences were hardcore bands, we need a source for this; I may have missed it, but I haven't seen anything to that effect - I'll go over some of the sources again. If you find a source for this, I'd be glad to incorporate it into the article. Nufy8 15:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone seen the VH1 behind the music bio yet? According to it (or at least my interpretation of it), they were influenced in the beginning by bands like Kiss and Van Halen, hence their spandex era. I mean unless it comes from the horse's mouth, should we be making assumptions about their early influences based on the music. Seems kind of subjective to me.

Dallas?

The article and infobox state that Pantera is from Dallas. Further down in the article it gives Pantego as the hometown. For that matter I always thought they were from Arlington; one or more members lived a couple of blocks from my old jr. high schoool. At any rate, why Dallas? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 08:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Best of Pantera insert calls them "Dallas-based." As for Pantego, it sounds very familiar, but I don't think it's in any of the sources. I'll see if I can't find it somewhere. Nufy8 15:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Cowboys from Hell was recorded in Pantego Studios in Pantego, Texas. Beyond that I'm not sure. Nufy8 20:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

They're simply said to be from Dallas because few from outside the state would really know where Arlington or Pantego is, just like how those from suburbs of major cities say they come from, for example, "Chicago" when while not living in the city proper. I have a Guitar World tribute edition to Darrell, and it says that the band originated from Pantego, although it is possible that they could have "relocated", for lack of a better word, to Arlington.

Reunion

I don't agree with the part of the article that says: "After Dimebag's death, a Pantera reunion has of course become impossible,..." A band is larger than a single person, and certainly many bands have had a reunion after the death of a member. I do not see why a reunion has become "impossible;" if so, it should be explained. 12/17/05

I think that was meant more to suggest that a reunion of the band consisting of its core members would be impossible. I'll try and reword the sentence to reflect that. Nufy8 06:17, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spongebob

Where would be a good place to mention the sampling of Pantera music in that one Spongebob episode? Also does anyone have any more information on it such as how they came together etc.. Johhny-turbo 23:37, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You could always create a "trivia" section, or similar? IainP (talk) 23:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure it really needs any other mention, other than what's already there. Also, it seems unlikely that there's a story behind it, other than Pantera coming together to record a song for a soundtrack. If there is, I would suggest adding it to the bottom of the "Studio activity" section, seeing as how it appears to be the last song they recorded. Nufy8 00:01, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Chart positions

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.chartFormatGroupName=Albums&model.vnuArtistId=5375&model.vnuAlbumId=413295

Ok, thanks. I'll add them back in. Also, is there anything for Cowboys from Hell? Nufy8 02:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Album Certifactions- http://www.riaa.com/gp/database/search_results.asp Charted singles in the U.K http://www.everyhit.com/searchsec.php U.S Singles http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.vnuArtistId=5375&model.vnuAlbumId=413295 Cowboys From Hell never charted

I added this info to the article and put the "Charted singles" heading back. Thanks again. Nufy8 17:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Power metal?

QUOTE: "Pantera was a popular heavy metal band from Arlington, Texas that formed in 1981. Specifically, some fans consider them power metal, groove metal (post-thrash), or an amalgamation of both (so called "power groove", a term the band devised themselves)."

Power metal? Power metal is stuff like Helloween, or any other recent band that sounds like a sped-up Iron Maiden with keys....Pantera had little Halford-style wailing or high-pitched vocal melodicism, NWOBHM style dual-guitar harmonies, lyrics about fantasy, keys, etc... I'm removing that.

It wasn't overbearing, but Pantera did show power metal in Cowboys from Hell. They combined that power metal with groove metal to create, as they call it, "power groove." After CfH, they moved more into groove metal (which is why the template lists them as groove metal). Either way, they personally describe themselves as having that power metal edge, so it should be kept in. Nufy8 22:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

^ yeah, you're right there, but I think that's the only post-hair album that has any songs to compare to with power metal. I guess you might as well put it back, but only in light of their first album...to the average person who knows nothing of Pantera, having that term at the top of the page would prove very misleading. perhaps it should be mentioned in the context of their timeline when CFH was released. --Rp81 05:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I took power metal out of the intro and put it in the CfH paragraph. Nufy8 07:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lawsuit

With the bit about Anselmo inciting a crowd to beat up a heckler, the article doesn't state whether the guy actually got beat up, or if the band were just sued for incitation. It doesn't read quite right. Superbo 11:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The source doesn't say, but it can probably be assumed that he did get beat up - can someone even be sued for incitation? Nufy8 17:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::I fail to see how Pantera's greatest influence were the classic bay area thrash bands. While the song structures may be more or less similar, the vocals, the heavy and relatively slow guitar riffs as well are the drumwork are obviously hardcore influenced. Anselmo himself said that they were influenced mainly by hardcore bands... I don't see any reference to this in your article.
 :::Where does it say that the Big Four of Thrash are their ''greatest'' influences? It merely says Pantera emerged from them, i.e., that as classic thrash was winding down, its influenced transferred substantially into Pantera's rise. I'm not denying that they have other influences (see the references to Rob Halford and Judas Priest), which may include hardcore; it says right on AMG's biography (and this article, for that matter) that the vocals resemble a hardcore sound. However, if Anselmo did say that their main influences were hardcore bands, we need a source for this; I may have missed it, but I haven't seen anything to that effect - I'll go over some of the sources again. If you find a source for this, I'd be glad to incorporate it into the article. [[User:Nufy8|Nufy8]] 15:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
+Has anyone seen the VH1 behind the music bio yet?  According to it (or at least my interpretation of it), they were influenced in the beginning by bands like Kiss and Van Halen, hence their spandex era.  I mean unless it comes from the horse's mouth, should we be making assumptions about their early influences based on the music.  Seems kind of subjective to me.
 == Dallas? ==