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EuroFighter or not a EuroFighter?

I'm pretty sure this ride isn't a EuroFighter. All EuroFighter models have had vertical lifts, beyond vertical drops and small trains with 2 cars. This ride lacks the tower element, has a four car long train and RCDB doesn't list it as a EuroFighter. Should I change the article to reflect this? Xtreme2000 (talk) 20:46, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it. It's not even mentioned anywhere in the article.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 20:52, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just thought about what RCDB said and what statements were being made.~~It was my mistake to undo that, so I apologize.~~ --McDoob AU93 23:33, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

... so I went and read the source document used here in this article, which is a report on the amount of noise SW7 is expected to generate. On page 3-1 of the document is this: "Noise from the planned new coaster was modelled based on a similar one located at Thorpe Park. The Thorpe Park ride, “Saw” is the same type and manufacturer as the proposed ride, including a “beyond vertical” drop." "Same type and manufacturer" should be the key take-aways from this. Technically, so would "beyond vertical drop", but that would be original synthesis to assume that the only rides Gerstlauer makes with beyond-vertical drops are Euro-Fighters. I stand by my original actions. --McDoob AU93 23:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK so this is becoming a problem again, with people editing and re-editing between Custom and EuroFighter. I think it's clear that it's not a Eurofighter. Gerstlauer's own website defines a EuroFighter as having a 97° or greater drop, something which it's clear from construction this coaster doesn't have.^[1] This ride also has completely different trains to all other Euro Fighters. What is there to define it as a EuroFighter except one line of reference in the planning documents (which have already been proven to be wrong in just about every other aspect)? I will keep amending it to 'Custom' until there is some clear conclusion. Aadams (talk) 19:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really see that anything should be added until the ride is actually completed and operational. Until then, the full facts/details regarding this ride cannot be known, and so in a sense labelling it as a EuroFighter or otherwise amounts to speculation - see the last part of point 5 in WP:CBALL. _Talk Islander 20:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

^ "Euro-Fighter". Retrieved 28 March 2013.

[1] "Euro-Fighter". Retrieved 28 March 2013.

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	OK so this is becoming a problem again, with people editing and re-editing between Custom and EuroFighter. I think it's clear that it's not a Eurofighter. Gerstlauer's own website defines a EuroFighter as having a 97° or greater drop, something which it's clear from construction this coaster doesn't have.<ref>{{cite web \|url=http://www.gerstlauer-rides.de/products/roller-coasters/euro-fighter-en-US/\|title=Euro-Fighter\|accessdate=28 March 2013}}</ref> This ride also has completely different trains to all other Euro Fighters. What is there to define it as a EuroFighter except one line of reference in the planning documents (which have already been proven to be wrong in just about every other aspect)? I will keep amending it to 'Custom' until there is some clear conclusion. [[User:Aadams\|Aadams]] ([[User talk:Aadams\|talk]]) 19:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)		OK so this is becoming a problem again, with people editing and re-editing between Custom and EuroFighter. I think it's clear that it's not a Eurofighter. Gerstlauer's own website defines a EuroFighter as having a 97° or greater drop, something which it's clear from construction this coaster doesn't have.<ref>{{cite web \|url=http://www.gerstlauer-rides.de/products/roller-coasters/euro-fighter-en-US/\|title=Euro-Fighter\|accessdate=28 March 2013}}</ref> This ride also has completely different trains to all other Euro Fighters. What is there to define it as a EuroFighter except one line of reference in the planning documents (which have already been proven to be wrong in just about every other aspect)? I will keep amending it to 'Custom' until there is some clear conclusion. [[User:Aadams\|Aadams]] ([[User talk:Aadams\|talk]]) 19:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

			:I don't really see that anything should be added until the ride is actually completed and operational. Until then, the full facts/details regarding this ride cannot be known, and so in a sense labelling it as a EuroFighter or otherwise amounts to speculation - see the last part of point 5 in [[WP:CBALL]]. [[User talk:Islander\|<sub><font color="DarkGray">'''Talk'''</font></sub>]][[User:Islander\|<font color="Blue">'''Islander'''</font>]] 20:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)