Talk:My Chemical Romance/Archive 5

Era?

How can a band formed in 2001 have established eras? An era suggest a significant period of time. I suggest we change "Eras" to something more suitale, like albums or progress or growth. How the band has progressed from album to album (all two of them, plus a hinted-at forthcoming album).

The early days: From May 5 to May 9, 2001 The middle years: May 10 - June 3rd, 2001 The later years... you get the picture. Come ON!

<-- just my $0.02

Agreed. I removed the word "eras". Dwnsjane2 06:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Influences

Deathrocker kept reverting my changes to remove At the Gates, Christian Death, Green Day, Iron Maiden, The Misfits, Napalm Death, Rush, The Offspring, Thursday, Tool and The Used by claiming that those bands are not MCR's influences. Those are their influences, please stop it! Alex 101 03:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Source those influences with apropriate and reliable links to the band claiming them as so, until then they should remain off the page, there also does not need to be a list of every band the group listens to, you have stepped over the 3RR and vandalising for no reason. - Deathrocker 03:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Unless you can provide a source for this, do not add them to the article. --Kotjze 03:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Page protected due to edit war. Please come to a consensus here before requesting unprotection. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 03:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, I wasn't the person who first added this. Alex 101 03:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah... They were originally added by random IPs. Even so, they should have given a source for their info. --Kotjze 03:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I keep searching Google, and the only influences I find are these; "But Thursday isn't their only influence; reviewers have cited the Smiths, Morrissey, the Cure, and the Misfits as influences. And Way has even cited British heavy metal icons Iron Maiden as an influence." and "We draw off so many influences--Iron Maiden and the Cure, the Smiths and Misfits[...]" --Kotjze 03:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

If you have some external links you can turn those into specific citations to incorporate into a footnote. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 04:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

http://ubl.artistdirect.com/nad/music/artist/bio/0,,1721940,00.html?src=search&artist=My+Chemical+Romance seems to be the link - Deathrocker 20:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Are we all in agreement that we can use this as a reference and that uncited information can be safely removed? If so, I'm willing to unproect. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 20:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes but perhaps put the Smiths instead of both the Smiths and Morrissey, to avoid cluttering the article. - Deathrocker 05:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Just don't revert-war or you'll get the full 24 hours. Unprotecting. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 06:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Genre

On Myspace, MCR was reffered to as Metal/Rock/Post-Hardcore, just for your information.

They're largely influenced by emo bands (and other rock bands that are known for influencing emo), their fanbase is largely within the emo scene, and their sound most resembles current popular emo bands. These guys are at least partly emo. It doesn't matter if they deplore the label, there should be a reference to their emo elements. 203.208.72.234 02:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I feel that an encyclopoedia should at least be uniform, and in keeping with that uniformity one should refer to the page on post-hardcore before labelling MCR as being so. With reference to this page, it is obvious that MCR bear none of the hallmarks of said genre. As much as MCR fans would not want to admit, MCR are a pop-punk band, simple as that. They play pop songs with a punk aesthetic. Whatever abstraction of the term "post-hardcore" is being bandied around today is a falsehood - what characteristics do MCR share with the likes of Fugazi or Drive Like Jehu? None.Jaworski716 04:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)jaworski716

Oh, here's what I was looking for.

"The genre has developed a unique balance of dissonance and melody, in part channeling the loud and fast hardcore ethos into more measured, subtle forms of tension and release. It shares with its hardcore roots an intensity and social awareness as well as a DIY punk ethic, yet eschews much of the unfocused rage and loose, sometimes amatuerish musicianship of punk rock." From the wiki article on post hardcore.

Sound like MCR? Subtle forms of tension and release? Social awareness? DIY punk ethic? I don't think so. MCR are about as DIY as getting a workman in to do the job for you. No tension and release. No social awareness. They are pop-punk.

I am officially not caring what genre people consider them. As long as it isn't vandalism (like calling them reggae or hip-hop), I'll go along with whatever.La Pizza11 20:45, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Not that I really care either way, but you contradict yourself in an attempt to distance them from a genre you are a fan of, first you said "They play pop songs with a punk aesthetic.", and then you came back and said, "DIY punk ethic? I don't think so. MCR are about as DIY as getting a workman in to do the job for you."

You are letting your bias point of view stand in the way of the article, if the band claim to be "Post-hardcore" on their MySpace website then that should be noted. In the post-hardcore article on here, bands such as Thursday, From First To Last, Scary Kids Scaring Kids, etc are also listed as "post-hardcore" bands, this group are not a thousand miles away from them. - Deathrocker 13:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Pop punk is, in my opinion, pop songs played with a punk aesthetic. That doesn't mean the way the band looks. It's the quality of the sound. And DIY punk ethic stands on it's own.

I don't have a bias about the band. I just read up a lot on musical genre's, and post-hardcore is one that I read up on a lot. And from what I've gleaned, MCR have no discernable post-hardcore characteristics.

And since when have myspace pages been reputable source of information? Don Caballero swear blind they aren't math-rock, even though they're seen by many to be the very definition of the genre. The point is, it looks a lot more like you have an agenda. You seem desperate to call them post-hardcore, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. There are a lot more independent sources calling them pop-punk than there are calling them post-hardcore.

Put it like this - how many Drive Like Jehu and Fugazi fans are there that are likely to count My Chemical Romance as a favourite?Jaworski716 22:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

2nd/3rd generation post-hardcore. With the exception of I'm Not Okay, they really don't sound much like Fall Out Boy, Green Day, Simple Plan etc. Nor do they sound like Fugazi. But I can defintly see the simalarites between MCR and later post-hardcore bands like Thursday. --70.36.199.0 03:42, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

It can't be that. It's goth-punk? - unsigned comment by Emile hsu

"Goth-Punk" isn't even a genre of music. - Deathrocker 18:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I feel what is currently in the article "...an American alternative rock band....The genre of music the band plays is highly debated, but they generally combine elements of post-hardcore, punk rock, screamo, and pop punk." Is quite acceptable and covers all the ground fairly well. --Bouyeeze 16:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Bitching about Genre, Pt. 2

FOR ANYONE TRYING TO CHANGE THE GENRE - PLEASE give a valid source. There's someone who keeps trying to change it to post hardcore with a reference to allmusic.com, which itself labels them as pop-punk.Jaworski716 09:27, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed the Emo category at the bottom since they're not Emo.

It depends on you definition of emo...but as for pop punk I'm goin to have to stop you there. Pop punk is Simple Plan and Good Charlotte not My Chemical Romance. A small percentage of songs have more of a pop quality to it but no as a whole the CDs are not pop punk at all.There aren't like a million little preteen fan girls flooding the store to get their CD. -Candy, unregistered

Uh, I don't know about you, but where I live, the main fanbase of MCR is preteen and teenage girls. Most of them also are huge fans of Good Charlotte and Simple Plan. That doesn't mean they are emo, but they aren't exactly all like, hardcore rock, you know. Definitely not pop punk. Probably just pop.

No. They are not Pop-Punk. Good Charlotte is not pop-punk. Good Charlotte is pop. Green Day would be an example of Pop-Punk. I'd say MCR are in general a rock band.70.36.199.0 04:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

We should settle on "Rock" to avoid all of these edit wars over genre. We'll still have plenty of kids changing it to "emo", but oh well.--Aleron235 00:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Just don't call them emo. I'm Not Okay clearly makes fun of emo. Barfing Rabbit

THEY ARE EMO!!!!!!! Even if they don't like the title.----SOAD_ROCKS

Not listing any genre I don't feel is an acceptable solution to the genre problem. Why don't we just have something along the lines of "My Chemical Romance displays attributes of many genres including pop-punk, emo, and post-hardcore." Sometimes bands can't truly be fit into a genre, but many can agree that they at least show characteristics of certain genres for sure. Just a thought that might finally solve this problem...Additionally, I agree with the people saying that regardless of what the band hates to call themself, if they truly are that musical genre, wikipedia should report the true genre, not what the band wants. It's like a fool saying he doesn't like to be called a fool, when in fact, he clearly is. --Bouyeeze 04:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it seems that the easiest thing to say is call them post hardcore, most people have a problem with emo, but they don't have a problem with post-hardcore (ahhh ignorance is bliss)

my chemical romance are a punk rock band. if you don't like their music, don't 'share' what genre they r. you don't even know.

NPOV and Cleanup tag

This article desperately needs cleanup and does not meet the standards of a said encyclopedia article.

1. The article provides little information on the history of the band. 2. The way it's written sounds like a fangirl wrote it. (NPOV) 3. There is way too much information on the present state of the band (who they are touring with, when are they touring, etc.) 4. The article is not arranged correctly, some subjects need their own headlines (there should be a biography section, present info/post debut, music video section, etc.)

I think I've made myself clear.

Punk rock?

They're currently specified as a "punk rock" band, which, whatever your opinion of them, is completely erroneous. Pop-punk, perhaps... certainly more closely akin to Green Day than bands like NoFX or The Ramones.

You want them listed as pop-punk because they're more similar to a generic (pop-)rock band than to two pop-punk bands? Kaaay. 3rd-gen pop-punk sounds good to me, as does post-hardcore if a little of a stretch. Same with the more generic pop-rock. They're still emo though. Slipknot can say they're not nu-metal all they want, big deal. Your music defines your genre, not that your genre's name has become an insult. --Switch 10:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

They are definately punk pop no matter how many people think they're emo. MCR denies being emo. I think the band knows what they are! -jmannequin

on fuse tv, gerard states that "the only thing truely punk about it (mcr) is the self expression" so they are definatly NOT punk pop, they dont even sound punk pop, or any kind of punk XemoXkidX

added a controversy and criticism section

I thought it would only be appropriate and I think it will cover many of your arguements.

I don't know if that is such a good idea. I feel like it is too POV against them. Though you definitely have good points in the section, they seem to being really anti-MCR. I think it is worth-while to keep, but should be re-written. I won't do it myself, because I am some-what anti-emo, so what I write may come off as POV. Someone else should, though. La Pizza11 01:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protection, anyone?

I think we could maybe use this to deal with the roughly 3-5 unique vandalism incidents this article gets per day. Any other opinions?--Aleron235 05:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

• I agree, I'm tired of immature kids that vandalize a band's article just because they don't like said band, go for it.

Agreed.La Pizza11 19:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I gotta admit though, some of this vandalism is pretty funny.La Pizza11 17:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• I also agree. If people make time to vandalize a band's page, then thats just a very sad existance. MCR should be respected for making thier own music, they dont deserve to be called "dead gay zombies" ect.

Lindsey8417 05:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• Somebody needs to revert the fricking emo tags.

Why? Because they are now trying to distance themselves from a term that has become an insult? No. They're a third-wave emo ("nu emo") band. They described themselves as emo before the label garnered its current negative connotations. Scraw. Also, if dozens of people all over the world hate a band enough to vandalise their Wikipedia page several times daily, I'd say it is the band that has a sad existence. --203.208.72.234 11:21, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Thats you opinion. However, other bands are vandalised just as much, and I wouldnt say that they have a sad existence. MCR are awesome.

That's you (sic) opinion. Again... having so many people hate you that your wiki page is constantly vandalised is a pretty sad existence. That applies to alll the bands people hate that much. MCR are not awesome. Again, they described themselves as emo in the past. Even if they aren't emo now, they certainly did play it at some point.

I would consider a 'sad existence', watching a wiki page of a band you hate and then informing others who gladly maintain it. Maybe if you dont have the bands best interests in heart, you should move on.

These guys are emo. I mean, the they wear eye-shadow which means they want to draw people attention to their dark appearance and outcast image. I mean, peopole fear that the new generation will be influenced by these goth rip-offs simply because they get picked on, bullied, and treated like second rate citizens. Big deal, I mean you should think about changing yourself to make yourself happy, not others look at you like a rebel. Even if people do dislike you forever, who cares, doesn't mean you have to turn emo, just smile and be as bright as you can! Anyways, I have a feeling because of the band's existance, the emo fashion is going to grow like a plague! I will never vandalise the page, but I will be going back and fourth to wonder, why oh why do they deserve mainstream recognition...?

Not sure, never heard of them before some vandals on wikipedia decided it was a good way to try and advertise the band to every wikipedia editor that spends much time checking the recent changes list. The old adage that there is no such thing as bad publicity works particularly well on wikipedia, edit wars and vandalism on a page tend to make it more popular, not less. Not that I have any personal plans to buy any of their CDs at the moment, but I have now heard of them where I hadn't before. Sfnhltb 19:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Whoever added "Metal" as MCR's gender needs to see a psychiatrist, seriously.

"I would consider a 'sad existence', watching a wiki page of a band you hate and then informing others who gladly maintain it. Maybe if you dont have the bands best interests in heart, you should move on."

I think if you do have the band's best interests at heart, you should move on, fanboy. I have wikipedia's best interests at heart, and so should all editors. Please read, I did not say I hate them, you merely assume. I also think that, once again, their genre was at one point emo. You cannot refute that. Whether they are still emo is too much of a controversial topic to be put here, but when a band are considered "emo" by a large majority of their fanbase, by most of their detractors, by the pop media, and by themselves at one point, then they are or were incontrovertibly "emo".

Half-Brothers?

Someone stated that Gerard and Mikey are half-brothers. Until this can be proven, which I highly doubt it can be, it shouldn't be on the page. I removed it.

...?? w/e but i have proof that gerard and mickey are true brothers not half brothers....first of all they have the same last name...way...andthey were born and raised together...if thats not good enough 4 u i dont know wht is ...bye!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.101.79.252 (talk • contribs) .

I believe they are half brothers on their father's side, hence the same last name. Also on the Life on the Murder Scene DVD it shows Gerard's mother, and the lable says "Gerard's Mother" not "Mickey and Gerard's Mother". ` Lindsey8417

oops

i kinda messed up that page.sorry...for somereason it cut half the page off and i did my best to fix it...sorry...?? w/e but i have proof that gerard and mickey are true brothers not half brothers....first of all they have the same last name...way...andthey were born and raised together...if thats not good enough 4 u i dont know wht is ...bye!!

Biography

Why was the biography removed from this article? 64.142.89.105 04:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Why not add some hidden text

...to the Genre area, stating that there is a debate as to whether or no they are emo? That way, people like me would realize that it shouldn't be there. They seem emo, but until it's resolved it should be ommited.--69.145.122.209 02:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I, personally being a fan of their music, do not think they are emo in any sense, but it seems the rest of the world lable them as emo possibly because of how they present themselves (the clothing and makeup). That is a good idea to put hidden text explaining the emo issue, but it still wont stop the people who put it on there as vandalism. - Lindsey8417 02:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

True, but it will stop people like me who are trying to make positive contributions and don't realize this is a hot-button issue. --69.145.122.209 03:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

"Emo" in the modern sense isn't a genre. Still, groups with high-pitched vocals, pop-punk or post-hardcore roots, bad fashion sense and dark/emotive lyrics are being labelled "emo" these days. Even Coheed & Cambria. But whatever, if everyone thinks MCR fit into some vague concept called "emo", then that they are.

Why not just label it post-hardcore, people get pissed when you call it emo, but no one gives a fuck if you call it post hardcore, even tho they both grew out of the same thing, because post hardcore is basically just labeled a more melodic, less chaotic, less rough sounding, version of music based off hardcore, well, that's pretty much what they are.----SOAD_ROCKS

Your right that post hardcore seems to piss people off less. Emo and post hardcore did spawn from the hard core punk scene, but since emo is now more associated with the slang usage than the musical usage, it tends to get confusing. Anyways, the point is, we should just keep the genre general at rock. Because we can all agree that they are indeed a rock band.-Lindsey8417 06:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

That works, tho it's not very specific.----SOAD_ROCKS

Melodic Hardcore perhaps?

Melodic Hardcore

I think MCR is a PERFECT candidate for melodic hardcore.

Not really, they aren't hardcore. And there's no wikipedia article on that, apparently. MCR sound little like Kid Dynamite. --Switch 14:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, there is a genre called Melodic hardcore, but I don't think MCR sounds anything like the bands they list there. La Pizza11 20:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, read the description of MH, retard.

• Remember! No Personal Attacks, and Sign your posts! Underwater 01:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I really don't think MCR are melodic hardcore. But in any case, there's no source, so that shouldn't be added anyway. --Switch 13:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

great songs

I really like their darker, sadder songs, like cemetary drive or ghost of you. anyone agree??Institute representative 18:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)