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Louis Joseph Posner

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Don't see that this meets notability guidelines and don't see coverage as significant. There's a negative BLP aspect as well. User who has spent hundreds of edits on the thing wants badly to delete it. May be this is the same user that created the thing with a new nick. Too much editorial water under the bridge for G7 and I don't see a prior AfD for G4. A7 is out too, so here we go! Dlohcierekim 15:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

• Strong Delete The Article was previously deleted under "Speedy Deletion" as an unambiguous advertising which only promotes a person, and by virtue of the creator of the original article User:lawline who was banned in January 2011. See Talk Page for User:lawline, that stated:

==Speedy deletion nomination of Louis Joseph Posner==

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A tag has been placed on Louis Joseph Posner, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.User:What88 15:53, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion is not AfD Why not let the AfD play out? And could you please remove the copy paste from the talk page? It is unsightly and not germaine. Simply stating the previous CSD nomination suffices. Dlohcierekim 16:13, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, let the AfD play out.User:What88 17:46, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

• Strong DeleteAs primary author of the Article on Posner, I had researched law cases related to his work as an attorney, and had indicated the following:

Posner was co-counsel for a defendant in the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) insider trading case involving Motel 6 in the U.S. District Court, S.D.N.Y., and related class action suit. Posner also represented the plaintiff in Ox v. Union Central Life, a U.S. District Court case involving wrongful rescission of a disability insurance policy, which was reported in Westlaw, Lexis, Mealey's Litigation Reporter and the American Disabilities Reporter.

On December 19, 2013, User:Mendaliv removed these cases as "unremarkable small-time positions in unremarkable small-time cases; WP:UNDUE still applies to this guy"

I had also come across the cases involving Central Synagogue and the New York Law Journal which are about 20 years old. Both cases were ultimately dismissed, and accordingly, there is nothing notable about a lawyer losing a case. Further, in that the cases involved a minor child with a disability, I was concerned with the sensitivity of the subject and possible violations of WP:BLP.

The article is in violation of WP:BLP and WP:BLPCRIME and should be deleted for that reason alone. The article makes reference to sensationalist articles in the tabloid, the NY Post. A person is presumed innocent unless convicted of the crime charged; the Article improperly makes reference to money laundering charges which Posner was never convicted of. Wikipedia is not a tabloid and must exercise caution on any article involving a living person, and must refrain from being sensationalist, judgmental, accusatory, retaliatory and malicious.

Further, there is nothing in this article meets notability standards at WP:GNG. The only possibly notable items are Posner's former involvement with the HLD Club and VoterMarch. However, there are separate articles on both the HLD Club and VoterMarch, and the article on Posner is merely duplicative of these articles. User:What88 17:44, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

• Keep Meets WP:GNG in the strictest sense. Posner is probably most recently remembered for his disbarment following a guilty plea to promoting prostitution, as well as a suit by NYPD to fight enforcement of an order to disburse seized/forfeited monies to Posner to fund his criminal defense (he had also been indicted money laundering, and falsifying business records related to a Voter March bank account). [1] (and other sources) In 1993, Posner was also noted for lawsuits against the Central Synagogue Nursery School (both state and federal) which failed, as well as a lawsuit against the New York Law Publishing Company for a satirical cartoon and article criticizing him for those lawsuits. (source not available online, but see Posner v. N.Y.L. Pub. Co., 644 N.Y.S.2d 227 (App. Div. 1996)). Another possible source of notability (though substantially less significant) is his involvement in Voter March. As to the negative BLP aspect, while some respect for the subject's wishes might be in order if he wanted to remain private, that's not the case here; we've got at least one person here trying to promote this individual's political advocacy pursuits. It's not our job to either promote this person or say nothing at all. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 16:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)