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== Sentence seems to be just tacked on ==
Can't cut this right now because the database is locked, but this sentence seems to be just tacked on at the end. Recommend removal or working into the article in a different way.

There had been a similar incident in August [[1961]] when six people died after a low-flying [[France|French]] military plane cut the cables of a cable car between the [[Point Helbronner|Helbronner peak]] and the [[Aiguille du Midi]], in the French [[Mont Blanc]] range.--[[Special:Contributions/69.140.0.212|69.140.0.212]] ([[User talk:69.140.0.212|talk]]) 16:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


== "Anti-American sentiment" ==
== "Anti-American sentiment" ==
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I think the article focuses too much on the "anti-American" sentiment in Italy. It should be enough to mention it in one sentence, although I don't agree with the term used. Not all criticism on the US comes from anti-American sentiment. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.10.46.8|213.10.46.8]] ([[User talk:213.10.46.8|talk]]) 13:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I think the article focuses too much on the "anti-American" sentiment in Italy. It should be enough to mention it in one sentence, although I don't agree with the term used. Not all criticism on the US comes from anti-American sentiment. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.10.46.8|213.10.46.8]] ([[User talk:213.10.46.8|talk]]) 13:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


: Agreed. Had the same incident happened in, say, Lake Tahoe, there would have been protests that would unlikely be called "Anti-american." <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/148.87.19.222|148.87.19.222]] ([[User talk:148.87.19.222|talk]]) 20:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:: Anti-American or not, there were 20 peoples dead. And the killers? Free. [[Special:Contributions/194.105.53.118|194.105.53.118]] ([[User talk:194.105.53.118|talk]]) 07:24, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

:: Anti-American or not, there were 20 peoples dead. And the murderers? Free. [[Special:Contributions/194.105.53.118|194.105.53.118]] ([[User talk:194.105.53.118|talk]]) 07:24, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

::: That's libel right there. Murder is defined as 'unlawful killing of another ''with malice aforethought'' ', you stupid wop. Attack pilots have to be trained to be aggressive because if they always fly exactly according to book, they will die on the first day of battle. -[[User:WikiSkeptic|WikiSkeptic]] ([[User talk:WikiSkeptic|talk]]) 12:24, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

::::All the Prowler crew needed to do to have avoided this accident was to obtain and study beforehand a recent topographical map of the area over-which they would be flying, any features such as high buildings or in this case, a cable car, would have been clearly marked. Common sense would dictate that low flying might bring the aircraft into areas containing hazards not only to the aircrew and aircraft itself, but also to people on the ground. For some reason they appear to have neglected to do this. The accident area was not a war zone, and neither was access to suitable large scale detailed maps difficult, they could have bought one at any local petrol or gas station. All the crew had to do was plan the route properly, taking into account any ground hazards on the way. That the crew wasn't even aware that a cable car existed at the accident site says something for their flight preparation, or rather, the lack of it. The mountain was well-known as a tourist resort - which is why the cable car was there in the first place. How could the crew not be aware of all this. At the very least, the flight crew displayed a lack of professionalism and very poor [[airmanship]], and appeared to have been almost oblivious to their surroundings.

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::::No doubt the offending Prowler crew are now regretting their actions, and one can at least admit in their defence that we ''all'' make mistakes. But it was a ''very'' stupid thing to do.

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::::The crew are probably now well aware of this, and will almost certainly never forget it. One suspects that if they could turn the clock back, they would have done things differently.


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:::No doubt the offending Prowler crew are now regretting their actions, and one can at least admit in their defence that we ''all'' make mistakes.
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::::Hindsight is a wonderful thing - but ''foresight'' is better. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.4.57.101|80.4.57.101]] ([[User talk:80.4.57.101|talk]]) 14:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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:::The crew are probably now well aware of this, and will almost certainly never forget it. One suspects that if they could turn the clock back, they would have done things differently.
:::::Opinions like the above one by "Wikiskeptic" above ('''''Murder is defined as 'unlawful killing of another ''with malice aforethought'' ' you stupid wop. Attack pilots have to be trained to be aggressive because if they always fly exactly according to book, they will die on the first day of battle...''''') reflect popular beliefs based on "Top-Gun" style Holywood movies, and a complete ignorance of aviation in general, military or commercial. Even novice Private Pilots know that flying at high speed and extremely low altitude precludes any on-time reaction from a human pilot to avoid obtacles in the flight path. The response time needed to avoid the cable necessitates that the pilot flying the aircraft can see the obstacle and inmmediately react in a proper way, without exceeding the crew (or the airplane) G-loading limits; but flying as fast as they were flying makes it practically impossible to have enought time and distance to climb/turn in time to avoid hitting the cable. That is the reason for avoiding flying too low and too fast at the same time. This is clearly a case of "reckless flying", that is punished at every civilized country around the world, be it a military or a civilian aircraft, period. Now, if the pilot argued that his radio altimeter was failing, that argument was either a fabrication, or much worse, that he lacked complete judgement. It has not been the first time that a military court acts partially in order to save the crew and (hopefully), the country prestige, when in reality, it is an example of involuntary manslaughter, and no flimsy "they have to fly violating regulations 'cause they have to be "aggresive..." is valid. Just another good example of the kind of behaviour too often displayed by a few overly "aggressive flying" military pilots, is the famous B-52 flight that ended tragically when another "hot-shot" pilot crashed the large bomber into the ground and killed himself and all the crew (1994 Fairchild Air Force Base B-52 crash). Finally, calling the previous commenter "...you, Stupid wop", only reveals who is the true stupid, uninformed, ignorant person in this discussion. Amclaussen. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/192.100.180.20|192.100.180.20]] ([[User talk:192.100.180.20|talk]]) 01:04, 4 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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:::Hindsight is a wonderful thing - but ''foresight'' is better. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.4.57.101|80.4.57.101]] ([[User talk:80.4.57.101|talk]]) 14:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::::: Newsflash, 99.999% of us would rather be some loe ethnic minority rather than a murderer. The latter is a crime among the nations; the former merely bad taste. Charges of 'murder' harm WP and in some sense are among the worst offenses an editor can commit. I may have committed the crime, but I never served the time!!!! -[[User:WikiSkeptic|WikiSkeptic]] ([[User talk:WikiSkeptic|talk]]) 06:46, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


::::::: I have expertise in the plane involved having served as a engineer for thirty years. Calling the pilots "murderers" and "unprofessional" is factually wrong and will not bring the dead back to life. The maps WERE current and did not show the cable; and, just because the radar altimeter passed a test, it could have failed later. Also, the radar altimeter is a 1950s technology; airliners must carry at least two. Even so, accidents happen. Turkish Airlines lost a 737 at Schiphol as one radar altimeter failed and the other one did not switch in. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.149.135.25|75.149.135.25]] ([[User talk:75.149.135.25|talk]]) 19:02, 19 August 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::: I have expertise in the plane involved having served as a engineer for thirty years. Calling the pilots "murderers" and "unprofessional" is factually wrong and will not bring the dead back to life. The maps WERE current and did not show the cable; and, just because the radar altimeter passed a test, it could have failed later. Also, the radar altimeter is a 1950s technology; airliners must carry at least two. Even so, accidents happen. Turkish Airlines lost a 737 at Schiphol as one radar altimeter failed and the other one did not switch in. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.149.135.25|75.149.135.25]] ([[User talk:75.149.135.25|talk]]) 19:02, 19 August 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Same cable-car, which was involved in 1976? ==
== Same cable-car, which was involved in 1976? ==

Revision as of 19:18, 19 August 2014

"Anti-American sentiment"

I think the article focuses too much on the "anti-American" sentiment in Italy. It should be enough to mention it in one sentence, although I don't agree with the term used. Not all criticism on the US comes from anti-American sentiment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.10.46.8 (talk) 13:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-American or not, there were 20 peoples dead. And the killers? Free. 194.105.53.118 (talk) 07:24, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No doubt the offending Prowler crew are now regretting their actions, and one can at least admit in their defence that we all make mistakes.
The crew are probably now well aware of this, and will almost certainly never forget it. One suspects that if they could turn the clock back, they would have done things differently.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing - but foresight is better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.57.101 (talk) 14:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have expertise in the plane involved having served as a engineer for thirty years. Calling the pilots "murderers" and "unprofessional" is factually wrong and will not bring the dead back to life. The maps WERE current and did not show the cable; and, just because the radar altimeter passed a test, it could have failed later. Also, the radar altimeter is a 1950s technology; airliners must carry at least two. Even so, accidents happen. Turkish Airlines lost a 737 at Schiphol as one radar altimeter failed and the other one did not switch in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.149.135.25 (talk) 19:02, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Same cable-car, which was involved in 1976?

Was it the same cable car, at which a severe catastrophe in 1976 happened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.224.242 (talk) 10:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was the same cable car system [1]. According to Cermis the cable car system, which had two legs, has since been removed and replaced by a different style of cable car. Format (talk) 07:15, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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