Talk:Reddy

Basava Puranam

Long time back I heard that basava puranam has lot of references to Origins of Reddy. If anyone know more about it let me know.--Vyzasatya 12:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Kapu & Reddy The discussion about the linkage between Kapu and Reddy is irrelevant simply because Kapu is a pure Telugu word for farmer or one who protects and tills the land (The equivalent words 'ryot' and 'Karshaka' are Persian and Sanskrit, respectively). All present day agrarian castes viz., Kapu, Telaga, Balija, Kamma, Reddy, Munnuru Kapu and Ontari were once called Kapus. Due to historical and social conflicts these people got themselves divided into social groups. Some persons got titles (Reddy, Nayak, Naidu, Choudary etc) because of their exalted status of village and military leaders, which got consolidated as separate castes. A recent example is that Reddys were classified as Kapus till the exit of British. Even today, Reddys are categorized as Kapus in civil records in many districts. Arguments in this respect are trivial and hollow.--Kumar

YOGI VEMANA

If you need i can produce details of them. But remember one thing there is lot of confusion between kapus and reddy's and many places reddy's are called as kapu and andhra kapu's are lot different and no relation to reddy's.

For your information during this peiod there was no caste Called Reddy and people who had Reddy as their title were from Kapu/Telaga community...

Well so you wanna claim that Reddys evolved by themselves and are from Rashtrakutas??? I you refer to any of the History Documetns some Section's of the Reddys have infact Branched away from Kapu community.You want proof well i have tons of it...

YOGI VEMANA

It appears that no proper research had been done about him,his birth place and his caste before he was branded as a poet belonging to Reddy caste when Vemana himself wrote that he belonged to Kapu caste.If it is true that he was born in Kondaveedu in Guntur district as per one school of thought Vemana should belong to Kapu caste only,but not to Reddy caste.Kondaveedu is about 25 kilometers from Guntur where no Kapu person would be called Reddy as far as I know. Even If Vemana was born in some other area where some Reddys equate with Kapus it should always be the right way for any writer or investigator to brand him as "KAPU " since Vemana bragged about his "KAPU CASTE" and no where bragged about Reddy caste.I just want to quote some of the lines about his Kapu back ground in his Telugu poems.

"Kali Yugamuna nunna KAPU KULANIKI Vemana tana keerthi vikrainche"

"KAPUKULAJU lentha karmatthulainanu Paaparasi kontha parisipovu Vivara meruganatti Verri Jeevulu gana"

"Vuppu chinthapandu Vuurilo nundaga Karuvadela vacche KAPULARA Thaalakam berugaro thagarambu nerugaro"

In my opinion it is proper to consider Vemana's caste as Kapu rather than Reddy without distortion since Vemana himself quoted that he belonged to Kapu caste in the above poems.

Answers to the above are as below.

Vemana is a reddy and his father's name is reddy and his grand father's name is reddy and most reddy's claimed themselves as kapu because in olden days who ever do agriculture were called as kapu..Please don't confuse with many doubts like this. And all vemana's relatives in Ananthapur and kadiri exist to day. If you need i can produce details of them. But remember one thing there is lot of confusion between kapus and reddy's and many places reddy's are called as kapu and andhra kapu's are lot different and no relation to reddy's.

Reddys (atleast in Rayalaseema) claim they are kApas. Thats what they write in Caste certificate. I have also seen in old texts Reddys being referred as Kapas. (Ref:p.139 of A Manual of the Kurnool District in the Presidency of Madras by Narahari Gopalakrishnamh Chetty , Government Press, Madras, 1886) Commonly known as Madras Manuals. Why two different names??. In this text It lists Kapus, Velamas, Kammas as Shudras. I would be happy to see the evidence contrary to it too. After all I want to know about my heritage. --Vyzasatya 13:09, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Iam a Kapu Reddy too, iam from chittoor dist, basically the reddies from the forming community called kapus to my knowledge....Even my caste specifies as KAPU in my school TC etc...AumprakashReddy 04:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Rashtrakuta's Rajputs?

I know Rathores of Rajastan claim both Rashtrakuta ancestry and Rajput ancestry. But what are the exact historical proofs to delcare Rashtrakutas as of Rajput origin? Many places it is written as one of the theories, here it's directly declared as a true history. Almost all of the literary works during Rashtrakuta period was in Kannada and not only that there was a work related to Karnataka's geographical boundaries so their place has remained as true Kannada kings in Karnataka. No, I don't have any problem with Reddys appropriating Rashtrakuta name for their higher status along with Indo-Aryan birth. Yes, 'R' and 'T' in Rashtrakuta closely resemble with 'R' and 'D' in Reddy. However, for a Dravidian, Reddy sounds like 'Chetty(Tamil)' or 'Shetty(Tulu)'. --Manjunatha (24 Aug 2005 10:23 IST)

Why the above talk was deleted?

Vandalism from 131.225.82.174. He looks like he is new to wiki --Vyzasatya 14:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

while the reddy rajas might not have been genetically connected to the rashtrakutas, they were probably the inheritors of rashtrakuta political power in andhra. this is what is meant by claiming their origin to rashtrakutas. when a new power rises, it tries to legitmate itself by placing itself in the ancient lineage. for example, sivaji claimed that his maratha confedracy was a succession of vijayanagara. we know that the rulers of vijayanagara were actually of kannadiga origin, but sivaji's claim is still valid if you consider it in light of political descendence.--Reddyraja 21:18, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

can you provide some more evidence regarding rashtrakuta origin --Vyzasatya 16:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Vedic Status of Reddys

there is some misinformation on here. while reddys are treated and behave like kshatriyas in their social role, they are not ACTUALLY kshatriyas. the reddys are a dominant sudra caste. a dominant caste is one which wields significant social and economic power but is not necessary high on the spiritual scale. many backward brahmin castes, for example, are NOT dominant castes but they are ranked higher on the spiritual scale. that reddys are sudras [by vedic scale] is proven by their lack of brahmanic rituals and customs. upanayana, wearing of sacred thread which is customary for all kshatriya castes, is not performed for reddys. further, many brahmins refused to cooperate with the reddy rajas because of their vedic status and did not perform the yagnas and rituals usually associated with hindu kings. the reddy kings did wield a lot of power in their areas, some of their daughters even married into vijayanagara royalty, but they did not have ritual prestige. please make a note explaining this on the main page!

also, why is modern reddy history not documented? their prominence in colonial madras and their role in developing post-independence hyderabad?--Reddyraja 21:11, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Poojareddy 22:17, 5 February 2006 (UTC)I was wondering if anyone on this discussion page would know if there are any works out there (either in Telugu or in English) that comprehensively document Reddy history. Or, if not, what are some good books that document some or parts of Reddy history?

When it comes to South Indian society, caste hierarchy actually is irrelevent. I'm not sure if it's Manu's declaration in Manu Smriti that all the Dravidas are Shudras which determined the permanent Shudra status for all the warrior and merchant communities of South India. In fact, dominance of any caste because of higher caste status is not valid in South Indian society. Here the social dominance should be viewed from the angle of feudalism. However, I do agree caste rules did influence the South Indian society in a way that all the classes became endogamous units. Manjunatha (25 Oct 2005)

I think there are few fundamental questions we have to ask before writing an article on caste. The fact is caste itself is a POV. So we have to be very careful while using the terms "upper" and "lower" castes. I suppose those are really qualifying terms and could be POV. More precise terms could be "dominant" and "weaker" castes. Again this has to be weighed against historical context. Because the self-styled upper castes and the declared lower-castes can be dominant and weaker at different points of history. I suppose Brahmins no longer weild the clout in political and social area as they used to be in the past. However, "upper" or "lower" is a matter of choice(unless if you are totally irrational to believe the gods wanted so but perhaps in wikipedia the words should be more secular). However, the word dominant could be tested and you do see Reddys and Kammas are dominant in Andhra and that makes sense. Also, I could even equate somebody claiminig themselves to be the upper caste is equal to the Whites declaring themselves to be the superior race. --Manjunatha (12 November 2005)

Thanks for nice insight --Vyzasatya 07:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

210.214.50.32, Please read the attached reference about the varna status of the Reddy community. It was written by a reddy judge so i don't see how there can be anymore debate about this matter. There is nothing to be ashamed of, it doesn't change their high status of today. [1]--Satya7 23:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Chowdhury Reddy

Anon user 203.126.136.223 posted the following:

Chowdhury Reddy(Chowdhury in late Mughal times was taken as next to zamindar in rank though socially a Chowdhury was considered superior to a zamindar,this word is carried on to the telangana region during the nizams rule, called as patels in telangana region),

• Is there any reddy subcaste called chowdhury reddy's?. I didnot hear about them anywhere. Someone please verify. --Vyzasatya 14:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I heard of palle reddy, Reddy Gandla and konda reddy

Can these be added.

Also some one need to clarify on which sub casts can offically be allowed to marry other sub casts and which treat themself as real different cast!

You can go ahead and add Palle Reddy, Reddy Gandla and Konda Reddy. I too heard of them.--Vyzasatya 18:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I heard of Chowdary reddy's in Adilabad district. The history states that there were seven brothers in Adilabad district and the eldest is chowdary reddy and the total community is called by his name.His other brothers are motati,gudati,gandla,kapu,gone, pedda kapu etc.There is no written evidence any where listed for the sub castes.

YSR Reddy or Christian?

• 170.115.251.13 wrote YSR is christain he don't belong to REDDY caste no more---even he flaunts it as his last name
• 69.15.124.74 wrote Although YSR is a christian, He is considered a Christian REDDY and there is a large group of Christian Reddys in Andhra Pradesh.

I dont see anywhere in the article mention of Reddys being hindus or exclusively hindus. So I dont see any see reason not to include YSR in Reddys list --Vyzasatya 21:11, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Probably, the "upper caste" tag in the introduction won't make much sense. It should re-written in the body of the article as; Hindu Reddys are considered as "upper castes". Reddys can be Christians too. I suppose if caste identity becomes ethnic identity there develops many contradictions.

Manjunatha (11 Nov 2005)

Actually it's the same structure irrespective of one is a hindu or christians. The converted christians maintain their castes in christianity too and so the same upper and lower classes exist, albeit in a different religion. So YSR is from Reddy caste and christian religion. It is a bit perplexing for an alien but in India it is quite common and caste certificates reflect this. Idleguy 12:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

For the lack of better term the "upper caste" tag is kept. I tried stating the fact that they are shudras despite enjoying higher status that attracted lot of reverts and re-reverts so I dropped it. The distinction of Hindu Reddys and Christian Reddy is very artificial. I agree with Idleguy whether a Reddy is following hinduism or christianity, he would still be a reddy as it is not only a caste identity but also a socio-ethnic identity.--Vyzasatya 15:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

A comment from 66.90.248.30

//not a reddy he is christian...only hindus can be reddy's//

When u follow hinduism u belong to particular varna(caste), when u quit this ancient religion how u can cliam to be still belong to particular varna or caste. The REDDY's were sudras in ancient times, but now the role of this community is KSHATRIya as varna system in hinduism allows upward or downward mobility of persons or groups.I strongly disagree with eveyryone who say YSR is a REDDY Aumprakash 04:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC).

American Medical Association Survey

Can you please provide the link as to where you found "In the 2004, the American Medical Association survey of last or middle names in United States revealed 4.02% of the practicing physicians had Reddy as their Middle or Last Name"

And also should it be 4.02% of physicians of indian origin or 4.02% of all physicians in US? Please correct it accordingly

I did not write the above sentense. I am ticked off by the anons. so I am not bothered what they make of this page --Vyzasatya 09:40, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Can you please provide the link as to where you found "In the 2004, the American Medical Association survey of last or middle names in United States revealed 4.02% of the practicing physicians had Reddy as their Middle or Last Name"

And also should it be 4.02% of physicians of indian origin or 4.02% of all physicians in US? Please correct it accordingly

Faith

"The first conversion of Reddys to Christianity took place at Madigubba in Anantapur District in 1750 where Thumma Hanumantha Reddy got converted as Thumma Rayapa Reddy. The Catholic Reddy women wear Talibottu and Bottu (Tilak). They wear Mettalu and follow Telugu traditions and customs. Catholic Reddy's marry only Reddys either Hindus or Catholics. It is common for Catholic Reddys to have many Hindu relatives. Catholic Reddys are treated as a Forward caste by the government as they are landlords and enjoy their position in villages."

I would like to know the source of this claim, otherwise i think this ifo has to be delaetedAumprakashReddy 20:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)