Talk:Cincinnati Reds

The article had George Wright as being the one that took the Reds Stocking players (5 of the original 9) to Boston, but it was Harry that did it. George was merely a player at the time and came along with Harry, but it was Harry that did it. I did a research paper on it, and my resources included historical local newspaper articles, Harry Ellards "Baseball in Cincinnati" book published in 1907, and John Erardi and Greg Rhodes' "They Boys of Summer" 1994. I corrected the error.

I know that Ellard states the Red Stockings won 130 consecutive matches but the season totals in his own book puts the number in question. Do you have another source for the 130 claim?

Proposal to Separate the Cincinnati Franchises

There were 3 distinct versions of the Cincinnati professional baseball franchise:

1. Pre-National Association era (1869-1870). Harry Wright had been managing a Cincinnati franchise on the amateur circuit (National Association of Base Ball Players) since 1867. In 1869, he decided to make his roster professional only, recruited his younger brother George -- the best player in baseball at the time -- and finished 59-0 that season. Cincinnati had their winning streak broken the next season in a famous game against the Brooklyn Atlantics. When the all-professional National Association was formed in 1871, Harry essentially moved the team to Boston (picking up Rockford stars Barnes and Spalding on the way) and kept the Red Stockings nickname. This team has no relationship to the modern-day Reds whatsoever. Note that the pre-1871 era of baseball is a fascinating and untapped-by-wikipedia area of baseball history.

2. Early National League franchise (1876-1880). There were four players to play for both the 1880 NL team and the 1882 AA team, but three of them played for another team in between (i.e. the Reds did not stay intact playing in a minor or independent league somewhere else).

3. American Association and National League franchise (1882-present). Several other AA teams eventually switched the the NL (Pittsburgh, Saint Louis, Brooklyn).

In summary, one could argue that team "2" was somehow related to the modern franchise. Its tenuous, but it could be debated. In my opinion, though, team "1" is completely unrelated and deserves a separate identity.

I have always thought that you could make a good case that the Atlanta Braves are essentially the direct descendants of the Cincinnati Red Stockings. The Cincinnati Reds and the Boston Red Sox also have a superficial connection: their team nicknames. Furthermore, the success of the Cincinnati AND Boston Red Stockings, and the subsequent success of Albert Goodwill Spalding both on and off the field, were extremely important to the development of American baseball as we know it... including, in the case of Mr. Spalding, the Doubleday myth and thus the creation and placement of the Baseball Hall of Fame. Wahkeenah 18:58, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Ineligible HOF

should this be a seperate section, theres only one name

I agree, this seems pointless. 63.84.231.3 19:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Now I'm a diehard reds fan from way back when who thinks that we should change our uniforms ? I like them but I think the black has to go so we can go back to more of the classic red and white look or the 70's and 80's.

Missing text?

This entry starts with the second section saying "After the expulsion," but I do not see any "expulsion" refered to in the article. Is there a way to clarify this?