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Larry Holliday

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Fails WP:NSKATE. Holliday has not competed internationally. He did not medal at senior Nationals. Though he has been successful at U.S. Adult Masters competition, the level is comparable to U.S. novice which is two levels below senior required by WP:NSKATE. Kirin13 (talk) 01:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

• Larry Holliday made the Senior National Team in 1990. His 10th place finish at the National Championships that year qualified him to compete internationally on the Senior level in 1990 at Skate Canada International, where he placed 5th in the Interpretive event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankkymd (talk • contribs) 05:49, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
  • The source you gave does not mention Skate Canada. Also looking through the Skate Canada articles, I don't see anywhere mentioned that he competed. Nothing in your comment shows that he met requirements of WP:NSKATE. Kirin13 (talk) 05:57, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

• Larry Holliday, 44, reclaimed a couple of things this year in the championship masters junior-senior men's event. Not only did he win gold for the first time since 2004, when the former senior-level competitor and 1990 Team USA member became the first to successfully land a triple jump at the U.S. Adult Championships. Icenetwork news article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankkymd (talk • contribs) 06:12, 5 January 2015‎ (UTC)
  • U.S. adult junior-senior is on the level of U.S. novice which is two levels below senior required by WP:NSKATE. Kirin13 (talk) 06:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

• The article states that he competed in 1990 for Team USA as a Senior level skater, and the event was Skate Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankkymd (talk • contribs) 06:26, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Nowhere does the article mention Skate Canada and making the national team does not meet WP:NSKATE. You must either win senior nationals or compete in major international event or win a minor international competition. Kirin13 (talk) 06:37, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

• Larry told me that he started skating at age 12, after watching Dorothy Hamill skate in the Olympics when he was 11-years-old. His proudest moment in competition history was when he made the national team in 1990 as a senior and "competed against the best in the world." Lifeskate article April 2008 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankkymd (talk • contribs) 06:34, 5 January 2015‎ (UTC)
  • Still nothing. Kirin13 (talk) 06:37, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

• Larry Holliday did compete in a major International event at Skate Canada 1990 as a senior level skater. I will look for more sources. US Figure Skating in Colorado Springs can verify this. I will contact them as well. Frankkymd (talk) 06:52, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Do you have a conflict of interest? Your entire editing history seems to revolve around this one skater. Kirin13 (talk) 07:03, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

No conflict of interest, but I am trying to clear up the matter in a timely fashion. US Figure Skating has his results from 1990 Skate Canada International that can be verified. Also there was major television publicity in Canada when he competed. The fourth reference clearly shows him competing at the Senior level Grand Prix event, Skate Canada. Frankkymd (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

The bing video can't be used as a source per WP:YT and WP:VIDEOREF. Even if he competed at Skate Canada, he did not compete in the Grand Prix event, he competed in a side event of interpretive skating which has never been part of the Grand Prix and isn't recognized by WP:NSKATE. Kirin13 (talk) 19:14, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@Frankkymd: In response to "No conflict of interest": You have over 200 edits to the Larry Holliday article spanning three years. Outside of that you have less than a dozen edits – and even those all relate to Larry Holliday. Your sole purpose on Wikipedia is to promote Holliday – see WP:SPA. You're the only registered user to have added information to this article. I have a hard time believing that you have no relation to Holliday. Kirin13 (talk) 01:20, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:14, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:14, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

• Keep failing NSKATE (even if Holliday does, not actually clear that is the case) does not automatically make a skater non-notable. A person can still be notable under the GNG if their career has been the subject of significant coverage by reliable sources. Considering someone wrote a full length biography about Holliday there would have to be pretty exceptional circumstances to say he's non-notable. But, what we actually find is many other RS covering him in varying degrees of detail. (The SI story alone would generally be sufficient to establish notability, for example.) Thus, he is clearly notable under the GNG; whether he meets NSKATE or not is irrelevant. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
  • @ThaddeusB: That "someone wrote a full length biography" was his mother and the book was self-published. That source shouldn't be used for any claims in the article. Kirin13 (talk) 19:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
    • Well that would qualify as "exceptional circumstances" to discount that source then (there is no way I could have guessed someone named Norma Jean would be the mother of someone named Larry Holliday :)). It can be used in the article for basic biographical information per guidelines on primary sources, but you are right it does nothing for notability. However, I stand by the keep comment based on extensive Sports Illustrated (which is the gold standard in sports writing) article and the various other secondary sources available about Holliday. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)