User talk:JEissfeldt (WMF)

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VE + ULS Devanagari issues

Summary

This summary represents bug statuses as per the users reporting/testing them, not per their status in bugzilla.

• Current issues: Template:Bugzilla
• Partially fixed issues: Template:Bugzilla
• Fixed issues: Template:Bugzilla

Discussion

Hi,

With reference to bug no 49569. From my todays test edits at mr wiki, it seems some efforts have taken place to initiate/enable ULS unicode Devnagari Script input in VE edits.But for practical usage,even for primary begining, it seems to have too many issues yet.Before informing the issues do we wait untill we are officially informed from your side or do we start reporting issues ?

I suppose till now there is no separate bug to track "VE+ULS unicode Marathi language Devnagari script issues". Would you prefer to start a separate bug for tracking or you expect us to join with some existing bug reports for related issues.

Thanks and regards

Mahitgar (talk) 05:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Pinging @User:PEarley (WMF) about the best way to handle this, which I suspect should be splitting the two kind of issues since different teams would take care of them. Regards, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:20, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Mahitgar, Elitre. As VE will not be usable on wikis where ULS isn't integrating properly, I'd be filing this as a VE bug, and as a "blocker" to Marathi deployment depending on severity. It is fine to file as a separate bug - if the devs discover it is linked to another reported issue already assigned, they can merge the reports. Mahitgar, can you give us a more detailed report about the specific issues you are noticing on mr.wiki, as well as the browser and operating system of your computer? With that, we can submit a actionable bug report, and work to get this fixed before any rollout to Marathi. Can't offer much insight to this particular script - I haven't been working with the Indic languages - Jan and his team are working on this. User:JEissfeldt (WMF) - tag, you're it! PEarley (WMF) (talk) 16:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Mahitgar, you might also want to know that the bug related to vowels for that language has been fixed in the meantime. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 18:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I have the CIS in Bangalore putting together a file on critical bugs for Indian language versions for this product since yesterday and will expand it as necessary. This looks like a solid candidate to me, regards --Jan (WMF) (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all above replies.I will study and list problems for Marathi language VE+ULS environment here in a tabular form over couple of days

Number	Name of page where probleme arose	Screen shot or Difference of edit if available	Problem description	additional details	ULS Method of input	Browers and OS	Bug/status
1	mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page)	Cannot create the screen shot/or edit diff	No other text on a page> Type a word + space bar = eliminates typed text imidiately	If some text is already there on the page or we copy paste then we can give the space bar with less frequency of this problem.	VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal. Also applicable for VE + ULS (hi transliteration)	Firefox+Win7, Google chrome+Win7	Tracked in Phabricator Task T55700 and Tracked in Phabricator Task T55706
2	mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page)	VEplusULSinput Akshrantaran issues 2 with normal speed typing cursor moves to left it is supposed to move to right direction	In normal speed typing,after we type first alphaabate cursor moves from right to left direction.Word marathi need to apear मराठी with VE+ULS instead is coming राठीम	Marathi language devanagari is written in left to right direction.But when we use ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण with VE cursor is moving in opposite direction as if we are typing a right to left script	VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal	Firefox+Win7	Tracked in Phabricator Task T55701
3	mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page)	VEplusULSinput Akshrantaran issues-Uncalled for repetition of charecters	Uncalled for repetition of charecters please see the file image	After this problem some time backspace, delete keys and left and right arrow keys of the key board work some times, do not work many times	VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal (Key unresponsiveness also applicable for VE+ULS hi transliteration)	Firefox+Win7	keys not working: Tracked in Phabricator Task T55708
4	mr:अभिमन्यु and all other articles with text already present	Screen shot or diff Not possible without video recording itself of VE's moving self action	spell correction of any word eats up text on right side until you press space bar	उदाहरण	VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal	Firefox+Win7	Tracked in Phabricator Task T55757
5	Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia	Wont be difficult to provide screen shots , Still need more usage pattern observation before providing screenshots to provide steps to reproduce	Where text is already present,Along with any of above problems, Some times edited aspect is shown in edit window but does not reflect in edit preview	Probably problem arises when we insert any additional charecters or word between two existing words in a sentence.I suppose this would be easy to reproduce.	VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal	Firefox+Win7	Tracked in Phabricator Task T55758
6	Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia	Image to be provided	If for spelling correction purposes only few charecters within any word are selected and replaced with other charecter of same or lesser length, without movement of arrow keys or spacebar, save button does not get enabled, so effectively we would not be able to save the change	Behaviour seems to be indirectly related to above point 5 testing for the same going on			Tracked in Phabricator Task T55788
7	all articles	Do we need image for this	need enabling ULS input in Link,Reference,Category and template edit-windows	उदाहरण			Tracked in Phabricator Task T55717

Following most required marathi language typing pattern produces marathi sentense as given below in ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) using roman engilsh "qwerty" key board in traditional wikisource editing; The target for VisualEditor team is the same to happen smoothly for VisualEditor+ ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) environment.

most required marathi language typing pattern example

namaskaara teMDUlkara marAthee Ahe.mahaaraaShTra aaNi akhkhyaa pRthveechaa pravaasa Jnaaneshvarane KShaNaardhaat kelA paheeje. rrya aaNi rrha akSharaMbaddal saMdarbha sahit nibaMdha have.

should transliterate ( produce) to following in smooth manner.

नमस्कार तेंडूलकर मराठी आहे. महाराष्ट्र आणि अख्ख्या पृथ्वीचा प्रवास ज्ञानेश्वरने क्षणार्धात केला पाहीजे.ऱ्य आणि ऱ्ह अक्षरांबद्दल संदर्भ सहित निबंध हवे.

Bugs to watch

• 51472

Mahitgar (talk) 09:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I emailed Jan to draw his attention to this. Thanks, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks look forwards to - Mahitgar (talk) 11:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Mahitgar. This is really helpful and will be a core part of the set of issues I will take to the office during a visit mid September. I feel the relation between VE and ULS will stay with us longer than the format of this feedback page permits. Therefore, I suggest to move the topic to my talk page; where I'm automatically notified in case you expand your findings there and we don't have to rely on Elitre for pings - although she does an excellent job in keeping the issue high up my radar :). Beyond Mr.WP itself, I'm also perfectly prepared to take on board issues you find on Hi.WP or generally VE bugs across Indian language projects you see as critical and feel they should be highlighted by me. Best regards, --Jan (WMF) (talk) 15:45, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for very positive response.Your suggession is most welcome I will place this discussion on your talk page and add further aspects there.Besides mr I can certainly bring in info on hi sa and ne wiki over coming week.

Regards

Mahitgar (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Added bugs I reported today. Another devanagari bug (not described above) is 53711.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 17:25, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

@Siddhartha Ghai Thanks for nice support in reporting the bugs. I wish and request to have a look at bug 53754(not in above list) and please do check for hindi language too.

Thanks Regards

Mahitgar (talk) 02:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk • contribs)

@Mahitgar:: Commented on the bug.

@JEissfeldt (WMF):: bug 53754 (based on 51472) is also an important one.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 20:24, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Added summary to top of this discussion for handy reference.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 20:52, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, @Siddhartha Ghai:; I'm already busy going over parts of them :)

Mahitgar: I arranged for a meeting with Runa from the ULS team mid next week and, of course, welcome your views not just on where problems are located but also how important/urgent you feel they are respectively. Regarding your homewiki and beyond, of course :). Thank you both for invaluable help. Best regards, --Jan (WMF) (talk) 21:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks , will keep you updated as suggested by your goodselves.

Rgds- Mahitgar (talk) 14:38, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, a quick note from my end. The Visual Editor and Language Engineering teams have been working together to find a solution for the problems that are being faced while typing not just Devanagari, but for most other non-Latin scripts. The tracker bug for all the issues that have been surfaced so far is: 33077. Besides the problems arising from native keyboards (i.e. available through the user's devices) this list also includes problems seen while typing using the Input Methods provided through Universal Language Selector (using jQuery.ime). At this point, the inherent complexities of the systems are posing a problem in finding an easy solution to resolve them and more tests are being planned. Hope this helps. Please feel to reach out to me also either through my talk page or over email (runa at wikimedia dot org). --Runab WMF (talk) 09:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

update bug 53700 and 53705 problem

Hi, Yesterday and today I tried problems in bug no 53700 and 53705 for Marathi besides more left to right indic languages namely Hindi,Ahirani,Konkni,Bangla, etc this problem seems to exist across the languages.

This is just to keep you informed rgdsMahitgar (talk) 08:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, @Mahitgar:. Let me talk you, @Siddhartha Ghai:, and @Karthikndr: through a bit of progress I made during my week in the office in connecting you and WMF Tech better: I would be grateful, if you continue to test things out and file bugs directly in bugzilla while keeping me in the loop here. I note stuff you feel is important both in my weekly VE reports going to their team and in a newly set up biweekly call with Runa of ULS. Both teams, VE and ULS, are working together to get on top of this but it seems to take quite some time to solve the problem and especially VE has other big issues to fix as well (it is still blacklisted for Internet Explorer for a start). Thanks and best regards, --Jan (WMF) (talk) 11:19, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Quick update: A handful of the IME-related bugs are supposed to get fixed in about 48 hours. I believe that's 48 hours until they're posted at Mediawiki, which means the following Thursday for the Wikipedias. And we don't know exactly which ones will be fixed then. But I wanted to let you know that they are making some progress on it. Thanks again for all your work. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi,Usually I compare software development tasks with road development and maintenance.As a user, reporting instances of pot holes and inconviniences is our small effort to support you constructively,and it is for benefit of our own projects.You are better placed to define and decide where to fix a pot hole first,or it is better to construct a new road or whether our demands are technically feasible or not;you know the sprectrum better.I belive in technical people and understand tasks at your hand; and will support you positively.Thanks rgds

Mahitgar (talk) 07:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

@JEissfeldt (WMF):, @Whatamidoing (WMF):, @Mahitgar:: Hello, I reviewed the bugs today. The gerrit patch r82858 fixed one issue completely and 3 others partially. Some issues that the patch should have fixed remain unaffected by it while other issues that the patch may have fixed need to be tested (by Mahitgar, since I don't fully understand those issues). There are also issues that weren't covered in the patch at all, and hence remain to be fixed. I've commented on the bugs where possible and have updated the summary above.

Whatamidoing (WMF), do you mean to say there's another gerrit patch soon to go live on mediawiki, or were you referring to this one?--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 16:03, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. The information I was given did not include any bug or patch numbers. It was just a report in a meeting that the next upgrade would fix a number of IME-related bugs. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:17, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

>>while other issues that the patch may have fixed need to be tested (by Mahitgar,<< @Siddhartha Ghai,

• I did first round of testing for bugs filed by me. Bug 53758 and Bug 53788 seems to have fixed but will need one more round of test to confirm so.
• There seems to be minor behavioural change (but problems are still there) in couple of bugs it will take few more test and bit more time before I can report exact change of behaviour.

Rgds Mahitgar (talk) 07:26, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

bug no 53757 and Bug No.53701

@Siddhartha Ghai,

Hi, it seems some work has taken place on bug no 53757 and Bug No.53701 and it has been requested to test it at http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ but fire fox did not open that website for me ,firefox says the link is unreliable. May be you can help in testing these bugs and also guide me also.

Thanks and regards

Mahitgar (talk) 02:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

ULS support still missing for VE at mr-wikipedia

@User:JEissfeldt (WMF) @Siddhartha Ghai,

Hi, Seasons greetings !

After several months I checked mr-wikipedia by enabling VE; but could not access ULS in article editing with VE ; ULS was working in search field. (So after testing I disaled VE again)

Any way any hopes or chances of any good news on these fronts ?

Regards

Mahitgar (talk) 11:17, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I read Whatamidoing (WMF) communication bellow later, So its OK, May be a year or two more. Effectivelly, We will be missing VE till then  :(

Mahitgar (talk) 11:22, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

es:VE poll

Hi. Poll has finish. How we follow from here? Cheers. Ganímedes (talk) 23:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Moin, Ganímedes. I already summed up the numbers for the relevant people on Sunday and tabled the question for the next interdepartmental meeting with James Forrester. Once I get a reply (unlikely before Veterans Day passes), I will update Es.WP locally as usually, Regards --Jan (WMF) (talk) 04:33, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

VisialEditor in Frisian

Dear JEissfeldt,

You posted a message on my talk page requesting me to translate this (this note on interface changes) block of text into Frisian. I'm afraid I'm going to have to respectfully decline. First of all, I'm not sure why you asked me, but I'm just a user, not an administrator, and I've no intention of becoming one. Second, the Frisian Wikipedia is a very small Wikipedia community and frankly it isn't worth the amount of time and energy it takes to translate these things, when most users are fluent enough in English to understand the English language version. (Perhaps in the future you could add a link to a Dutch translation; that might by useful to some Frisian users.) Also, and this is purely a personal thing concerning this VisualEditor, I cannot understand why people keep fiddling with things when they work just fine the way they are. Anyway, I thought the decent thing to do was give you an explanation for my non-compliance with your request, so here you are. I hope there are no hard feelings. I wish you Frohe Weihnachten und ein glückliches neues Jahr (or as we say in Frisian: noflike krystdagen en in lokkich nijjier). Ieneach fan 'e Esk (talk) 17:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

ULS disabled by default

@JEissfeldt (WMF) and Runab WMF:: Hello. ULS has been disabled by default for about 25 days now since this announcement: mw:Universal_Language_Selector/Announcement_Jan2014. I have some questions:

• When can we expect it to be back?
• Does this have anything to do with enabling it in VE?
• I can see from messages at translatewiki.net that enabling the ULS IMEs in VE is planned as a beta feature. When will this be availaible and if this planned beta feature has anything to do with the current disabling.

Thanks.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 11:53, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Siddhartha Ghai,

With some luck, ULS may be back in a few days. The problems have nothing to do with VisualEditor.

Using the IMEs in VisualEditor is very complex. My guess is that late in 2014 is possible, assuming that they get ULS back in good health first. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Input regarding diacritics in usernames

It has been suggested at WP:AN#Username gymnastics that I should forgo the diacritics in my username. Is this consistent with the missions of the foundation, to disregard the cultural heritage of long-term Wikipedia editors, so that things are made more "convenient" for bureaucrats? I, for one, am astonished that WP administrators would even entertain such a suggestion, let alone that there would appear to be considerable support for the idea. Sławomir Biały (talk) 14:38, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Sławomir Biały/Slawekb; coming out of the holidays, I finally looked at your issue. The foundation builds software and distributes a modification of it on this wiki hosted by it that does not technically denies you diacritics. The local administration of the self-governing volunteer community running this wiki, however, is entitled to come up with its own set of reasonable rules to run its own affairs as seen fit. WMF policy, as it stands, doesn't come into it. Best regards, --Jan (WMF) (talk) 13:14, 12 January 2015 (UTC)