Talk:Control of cities during the Syrian civil war

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Kurdish presence in aleppo

source https://twitter.com/sergermed/status/561985092890144768

https://twitter.com/sergermed/status/560952310776750080

https://twitter.com/sergermed/status/560576534407565312

same account have also mentioned about kurds+fsa rebels in Qazel, Ghara/Yani yaban, Dalhah & Baghirin these villages aren't even marked in this map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creepz55 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 2 February 2015‎

YPG in KOBANE

According to this confirmed source YPG controlls zorava tel aotk korabi and susan are they even marked on the map?

https://twitter.com/ColdKurd/status/561294811094065153 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creepz55 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 2 February 2015‎

Joum Ali in kobane.

Joum ali in kobane

https://twitter.com/jackshahine/status/561974858951950336?lang=sv

It's completelly liberated why does the map show ISIS presence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creepz55 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 2 February 2015‎

Sarrin under YPG control

On April 25, reliable source Jack Shahine reported that YPG/FSA entered Sarrin and fought ISIS in the town.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jackshahine/status/592083393103409152

Relying on Jack Shahine's report, Chuck Pfarrer reported that Khirbet al Burj was under YPG control.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/592098005035122689/photo/1

I suggest that based on these reports, Sarrin be changed to contested between YPG and ISIS, and Khirbet al Burj be changed to YPG control. 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4831:6879:2CA4:C5A2 (talk) 15:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

2601:0:B200:F7D9:4831:6879:2CA4:C5A2 Chuck Pfarrer it is pro Kurdish source. Hanibal911 (talk) 16:13, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

IS sources report the city has repelled the YPG assault. Also Chuck Pfarer has been wrong before due to misinformation by Jack Shahine. Since IS is also launching still a counter-attack, I suggest not making any changes till we have corroborating evidence. Tgoll774 (talk) 17:29, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Jack Shahine is a reliable source. We have used him to show Kurdish advances before, he is one of our only neutral sources for that. Besides, pro-IS sources will never report their defeat. They always lie.

Also here are other sources:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Feeney4Batman/status/592326934442463232 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4831:6879:2CA4:C5A2 (talk) 18:48, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Jack Shahine has been wrong before and IS always reports its defeats.

That said https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDi1C68WoAALYPi.png:large This shows YPG clearly on the outskirts of Sarrin and Khirbat al-Burj being contested http://36.media.tumblr.com/9d4d9473c2da3d0b3dfd12929f2c5bac/tumblr_nnggncZnLy1svp8ywo1_500.png Chuck Pfarer shows YPG halted on outskirts.

So Sarrin should switch to besieged, but not contested Tgoll774 (talk) 12:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDnp-DoWYAARGJd.jpg Fighting still on outskirts and Khirbat al-Burj still contested. Tgoll774 (talk) 13:20, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

http: //justpaste. it/kvl8 Sarrin is clearly not contested and IS sources state they pushed YPG back and geolocation confirms this is Sarrin. Tgoll774 (talk) 10:39, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

IS claims to have retaken Mitras and Murrabba in this sector https://twitter.com/ActivstMedia999/status/596005854031126528, also a lot of fighting seems to b going on throughout Syria as well with IS hitting Deir Ezzor and Kuwheires as well. Leave it to you guys to corroborate, but it looks like IS Summer Offensive is starting. Tgoll774 (talk) 01:48, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Sarrin is not contested, repeated photos from the area show YPG is well outside the city having been repulsed. Even YPG sources are saying they been repulsed Tgoll774 (talk) 11:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

https://7496bff410df41fc380ad565a50f607d4b1e8372.googledrive.com/host/0BzN49CdHSAwmcGU4eEI5dVBGZXM/KobaniCantonEN-2015-05-10.png Pro-Kurd source confirming a successful IS counterattack in the North. Tgoll774 (talk) 16:10, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

End of cooperation between rebels and YPG in Aleppo

End of YPG and rebels cooperation in Aleppo after one year of agreements.Syrian Rebellion Observatory And after two days of tension between them, dozen of rebel groups ready for war against kurdish forces in Aleppo.Syrian Rebellion Observatory And 30 April some IF battalions denounce YPG - Ahl al-Sham agreement which was signed in 2014.Syrian Rebellion Observatory Hanibal911 (talk) 11:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Pro opposition source reported that Islamist rebels in Aleppo announce new operations room to fight Kurds in Shiekh Maksud.Halab Today TV Hanibal911 (talk) 14:20, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Signs of big battle prepared by allied Islamic factions against YPG in Sheikh Maqsoud(Kurdish neighborhood) in northern part of Aleppo.Jack Shahine Hanibal911 (talk) 08:52, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Sporadic mortars attacks between YPG and some rebel battalions north of Sheikh Maqsud, near the highway.Syrian Rebellion Observatory Hanibal911 (talk) 08:57, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Turkish activist which support the Syrian opposition said that Kurdish forces in cooperation of Syrian troops can launch an attack against rebels near Aleppo from area near Nubl and Zahra and then from area village Handarat they will try make the passage to Kurdish district Sheikh Maqsood in northen part city of Aleppo.Teoman Hanibal911 (talk) 13:07, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

SAA captures Maydaa in East Ghouta

Syrian Army has captured Maydaa in East Ghouta, pro-Gov [1] and rebel source [2]SyAAF (talk) 12:22, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

SOHR also reported that Syrian troops captured almost all of the village Maydaa and cut the last main supply route for the rebel bastion to east of Damascus.SOHRThe Daily Star Hanibal911 (talk) 13:40, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Pro opposition source reported that the Syrian troops gains control over town of Maydaa in Damascus countryside after severe clashes with fighters of al-Islam army.Docements.SY Hanibal911 (talk) 15:59, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

If this is true it may have major impact on the whole of northern Syria .86.178.102.112 (talk) 17:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Northern Syria? How do you figure? XJ-0461 v2 (talk) 18:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I guess he/she ment to comment on the section above (YPG against Opposition in Aleppo)--194.166.23.205 (talk) 19:22, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Also pro opposition source said that Syrian troops managed to capture the village of Mayda'a, on the eastern side of East Ghouta.here And also here video report from the Syrian TV channel inside town Maydaa which was taken by Syrian troops.Sama TV and photos from Maydaa hereherehere Hanibal911 (talk) 06:40, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Here some other confirmation from the pro opposition sources herehere and from neutral source here Hanibal911 (talk) 06:51, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Advance for YPG forces near Tal Tamr

According to this source:

http://waarmedia.com/english/ypg-retakes-two-villages-from-is/

YPG retook the villages of Tal Damsheed and Siyar, while the source is clearly pro-kurdish, there is also confirmation from SOHR of kurdish advances in the same area:

http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/05/19-people-killed-in-deir-ezzor-and-ypg-advances-agains-in-al-hasakah/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.67.224.185 (talk) 13:25, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

We use only original reports from SOHR on Arabic. So that I will try to find confirmation this data in original report from SOHR. Hanibal911 (talk) 14:02, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

But original report from the SOHR only said about clashes between Syrian troops and their allies against Islamic State in the countryside of Al-Hasakah and about clashes between YPG against Islamic State in the southern countryside to the town of Tal Hamis, and about of casualties among the parties.SOHR Hanibal911 (talk) 14:19, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hannibalm, in this one they reported advancement of kurdish forces in Tal Tamr countryside: http://www.syriahr.com/2015/05/تجدد-الاشتباكات-في-ريفي-إدلب-وتل-تمر/ 190.67.224.185 (talk) 14:26, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

190.67.224.185 OK! Thank's for help. I did not notice of this report. Hanibal911 (talk) 14:36, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Map update

Is it a problem of mine or the map is not updated?Paolowalter (talk) 16:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Paolowater, what do you mean? Banak (talk) 20:57, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Syrian troops try advance near Kweiris Military Airport

Pro opposition source said that the Syrian troop entered to village of Karkiz near the Kweiris military airport and that clashes ongoing in the village.BosnoSinj Hanibal911 (talk) 20:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911 That is supported by http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-demands-the-saa-surrender-at-kuweires-airbase-fierce-clashes-ensue/. Why was it reverted?Paolowalter (talk) 16:06, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

PaolowalterI decided that not enough information and therefore revert my editing. But perhaps you're right because this data confirmed pro government here and antigovernment sources BosnoSinjhereherehere) and some other here Hanibal911 (talk) 16:54, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2015

change { lat = "33.166", long = "37.595", mark = "80x80-red-black-anim.gif", marksize = "6", label = "Karkiz", link = "#no", label_size = "0", position = "top" }, to { lat = "36.166", long = "37.595", mark = "80x80-red-black-anim.gif", marksize = "6", label = "Karkiz", link = "#no", label_size = "0", position = "top" }, incorrect coordinates for Karkiz marked by Hanibal, places location of contested village out in the middle of the Syrian desert. should be these. 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4839:1AB:A62B:CDB5 (talk) 01:27, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

2601:0:B200:F7D9:4839:1AB:A62B:CDB5 (talk) 01:27, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: The two lines you've given are identical. Stickee (talk) 02:17, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Ariha

Report that Tal Ma’ar Tab’i is retaken by SAA [1]. Also the SOHR article [2] used to turn it under attack was mentioning SAA advance. I think it should go red.Paolowalter (talk) 06:44, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

South east Hasakah

Some SAA advance in Hasaka Southeast https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/595310596964425729 and http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-captures-8-villages-in-southeast-al-hasakah/. Unlikely to obtain other info from those remote areas.Paolowalter (talk) 06:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Paolowalter SOHR also reported that the Syrian troops after clashes against ISIS the southern countryside of Hasakah advance and take control of new areas south of Hasakah. So that SOHR also confirmed this data. Hanibal911 (talk) 07:54, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

In [3] Desyracuse seems to have found the villages taken by SAA. They are not the ones changed on the map on the south. All of them are on the Hasaka map, that must updated.Paolowalter (talk) 11:27, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

‎Tourbillon Please refrain from reverting each other changes in Hasaka. In the link above the locations taken by SAA are identified as positioned on the detailed map of Hasaka city that must be corrected. The locations you turned red seems not the tight ones. Paolowalter (talk) 16:02, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Paolowalter Pro opposition source reported that regime troops seized over 9 villages in the southeastern and eastern countrysides of Al-Hasakeh city, after fierce clashes against ISIL.Qasion News So that pro opposition source totally confirmed data from the pro government source Al Masdar. Hanibal911 (talk) 20:04, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hezb captures Hasina

yahoo news reports "the group captured the village of Hasina on the Syrian side of the border" with Lebanon. http://news.yahoo.com/lebanese-held-hostage-syria-militants-appear-video-101307544.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.27.234 (talk) 06:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Here confirmation from other reliable sources.The Washington PostThe Dallas Morning News But we cant find this village on map. Hanibal911 (talk) 09:10, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Quneitra

Do ISIS members really control Quneitra town and the border post ? According to rebel sources, Qantaniyah was the last IS held area in this province. They did capture the border area, but it was changed to green according to SOHR and other sources. Then it was changed again according to "for me" unknown twitter reporter. This source is important only becasue it quotes a rebel leader and he says that by capturing Qantaniyah, they are donne with IS in Quneitra province. Opinions ? DuckZz (talk) 23:07, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Musaybeen

The Syrian Army (Regime) defense line was collapsed. The Regime forces retreated to Ariha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdyxE7P9p40&feature=youtu.be
http://inagist.com/all/595549109974601728/
http://documents.sy/image.php?id=2291&lang=en

Buthaina hill was captured by the Opposition:
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=tr&lat=35.830792&lon=36.641250&z=15&m=b
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SoGMHgiEoA&feature=youtu.be
After liberation of Buthaina hill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLPbrCFHnyc 212.174.38.3 (talk) 06:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

This just a data from pro opposition sources and we cant use him for displayed success of rebels. Need confirmation from the reliable or pro government sources. According to the rules of editing we cant use pro opposition sources and amateur video from rebels for displayed success of rebels. Hanibal911 (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I am trying to find neutral sources. Since the news is very new, it is cumbersome.

http://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/34yin7/musaybeen_is_freed_from_assad_rule_for_now_rebel/ 212.174.38.3 (talk) 08:52, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

But why you publish another data from pro opposition sources. We have enough data from the pro opposition sources and now need find confirmation from the reliable(neutral) sources. Hanibal911 (talk) 09:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I cannot differentiate which source is Loyalist which one is pro-opposition. I add more since one may know/aware one of them is neutral.212.174.38.3 (talk) 09:19, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Also pro government source reported that Syrian troops control village of Musaybeen and with the support of NDF advanced to the strategic hill overlooking on this village, where they continued their counter-offensive geared to recapture the territory which they lost near the Qarmeed Camp (Brick Factory) and that this attack was successful for the Syrian troops and NDF, as they secured the hill of Tal Masayabeen.Al Masdar So at the moment we have conflicting data. So we need find confirmation from a neutral source. Hanibal911 (talk) 10:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Northern Countryside of Homs

Opposition killed 20 Syrian Army soldiers, took control of four checkpoints near Jbourin and Kafrnan, pro-Bashar al-Assad villages, north of Homs.
https://en.zamanalwsl.net/news/9958.html 212.174.38.3 (talk) 08:35, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

This pro opposition source and here another pro opposition source publish a map.here Rebels captured some checkpoints near Umm Sharshun. Hanibal911 (talk) 08:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Official source of Islamic front showed that rebels captured two checkpoints near village of Umm Sharshuh and one checkpoint still under control by Syrian troops.here Hanibal911 (talk) 10:08, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

What is Official source of Islamic front? What is its official website? 212.174.38.3 (talk) 12:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

This source that publishes messages or maps from Islamic Front. This source use many pro opposition sources. I'm just not quite right expressed my opinion. Hanibal911 (talk) 14:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Sararifiyah

Pro-government source Peto Lucem has Sararifiyah (near Tall Hamakah, east of the thermal power plant) under rebel control in his current map here. This seems reasonable to me since the short-termed rebel attack on Tall Hamakah a few weeks ago had to start from somewhere. 131.188.48.167 (talk) 18:18, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

 Done Hanibal911 (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Sugar Factory

Pro opposition source reported that the Syrian troops recapture the Sugar Factory to south from the city of Jisr al Shughur.here and pro government source said that Syrian troops capture the strategic Sugar Factory at the outskirts of Jisr Al-Shughour and village Qarta to south-east from Jisr Al-Shughour.Al Masdar And SOHR reported that warplanes implementation made about 50 raids on the city of Jisr al Shughur and his surroundings and also said about progress of the Syrian troops, NDF and their allied in the countryside of Jisr al Shughur.SOHRSOHR Hanibal911 (talk) 07:56, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

The cited pro opposition source said "Regime retook 'Sugar Company' south of Jisr al-Shogur reportedly.", obviously referring to the pro-government report in AlmasdarNews. Now he says "Still no confirmation at all that #SAA recaptured 'Sugar Company' south of Jisr al-Shogur." here. So for now, there is no neutral or pro-opposition source confirming that the Syrian troops recapture the Sugar Factory. It is just a pro-government claim, for now.131.188.48.167 (talk) 15:28, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Pakistani source reported that Syrian troops captured the Sugar Factory.Pakistan News Hanibal911 (talk) 17:00, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

And pro opposition source not completely denies this information he only said that not clear who controls Sugar Factory.here But I agree that we need more data. Hanibal911 (talk) 17:15, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

SAA-IS clashes at Deir Ezzor city

According to reliable pro-govt source Hassan Ridha clashes ongoing in the Sinaa neighborhood of Deir Ezzor:

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/596227607164661760

SOHR also reports about it:

http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/05/ypg-advances-in-northwest-of-tal-tamer-and-4-regimes-members-killed-in-deir-ezzor-city/

So would it be ok to change the area to contested in detailed map? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.32.116.216 (talk) 11:15, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

But for now on detailed map the Al-Hawiqah marked as contested and part of Al-Sina'ah also marked as contested. Hanibal911 (talk) 11:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

YPG advances in Tal Tamr

PKK aligned media has claimed that YPG captured 8 villages and several hamlets following fierce clashes today:

Elmaha, Dişo, Siraç, Hela, Behama, Effan, Keşke and Gişat villages, Rezazê hill plus 4 hamlets which are reportedly all near Aliyah.

http://en.firatajans.com/kurdistan/8-villages-and-4-hamlets-liberated-in-aliya-region-of-til-temir#.VUtJdf3z3SY.twitter

Furthermore, SOHR confirmed their progress:

http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/05/ypg-advances-in-northwest-of-tal-tamer-and-4-regimes-members-killed-in-deir-ezzor-city/

While at the southwestern front, reliable Hassan Ridha has reported that YPG is clashing with ISIS at Tal Nasri, Twain and Aghbish:

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/596226642793533440

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So, for the advance near Aliyah it's gonna be hard to put the villages in since they're probably their kurdish names and not the arabic ones that are present here or at wikimapia, can anyone help here?

For the situation at southwest/south Tal Tamr however I guess we can switch the mentioned villages to contested since Hassan is reliable source, opinions?

Edit: Hardline pro-IS source admits capture of two villages at rural Serekaniye/Ras al Ayn: Ghishqa and Hillah

https://twitter.com/QHTANIYAH/status/596257332985737216 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.32.116.216 (talk) 11:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

179.32.116.216 (talk) 11:25, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

179.32.116.216 Where located these villages. You can indicate they coordinates. Hanibal911 (talk) 12:25, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Pro ISIS source reported that ISIS withdraw from 5 villages in the Ra's Al-Ayn countryside after heavy airstrikes.here Hanibal911 (talk) 19:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Bahima: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.671538&lon=40.000051&z=17&m=b

Malha: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.652764&lon=39.984312&z=17&m=b

Qashqa: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.630338&lon=40.026047&z=16&m=b

Hayla: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.620462&lon=39.997594&z=16&m=b Roboskiye (talk) 20:28, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Roboskiye  Done Hanibal911 (talk) 20:44, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your help Roboskiye and Hanibal!

According to reliable pro-oppo al Qasion news the -probably arabic- names of the villages liberated are these: Al-malha, Aldeshu, sraj, hiala,alkasha, Aallon, Akoshat, and Razzazah

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=828879927197729

Did you find any of these when at wikimapia, Roboskiye? Maybe it could be helpful since the names posted by pro-ypg sources are oftne in kurdish.

• Note that while the name "National Protection Units" is used the photo in the top is clearly of kurdish forces and if they meant NDF they wouldn't have said "Protection Units" which is part of YPG's "People's Protection Units", so it's obviously faulty translation.

179.32.116.216 (talk) 02:09, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

YPG has claimed to be in control of the villages of

Nevermind, this map by Res Publica shows the two villages captured by YPG we've not market yet, Muqeren and al-Nawfaliyah:

https://twitter.com/_paulo34/status/596354890059907072

I would suggest putting them under YPG control, and while his map does show the countryside between the captured villages and Manajir as YPG controlled, I suppose it'd be better to wait for more sources before turning the newly formed IS pocket into yellow, your thoughts? 179.32.116.216 (talk) 03:27, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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According to kurdish media YPG has taken control of the villages of Tal Majdal and Ashrah supported by coalition airstrikes and posting video footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbDp9arEWCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqfUO9SEawM

Pro-govt twitter confirms at least the liberation of Tal Majdal:

https://twitter.com/ResistanceER/status/596682394901569538

The villages can be found here:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/desyracuse-syria-civil-war-21-april-2015_37133#13/36.5301/40.6259

While pro-govt and pro-kurdish sources aren't enough for making a change like this, it would be helpful if anyone could post info from neutral sources so the situation can be confirmed or not.

179.32.116.216 (talk) 16:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Based on videos and pics on pro-YPG media, it appears that YPG is just a few km north of Mount Abdulaziz.

Video: http://en.hawarnews.com/newroz-martyrs-revenge-operation-in-til-temir/

Photos: http://hawarnews.com/%D9%85%D9%86-%D9%88%D8%AD%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%85-%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%87%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D9%86%D9%88/

On map: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.507153&lon=40.456220&z=17&m=b

On map: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.505937&lon=40.485370&z=17&m=b

On map: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.506122&lon=40.393907&z=17&m=b Roboskiye (talk) 18:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

SOHR seems to confirms the YPG advance mentioned by Roboskiye http://www.syriahr.com/2015/05/الوحدات-الكردية-تتقدم-مجدداً-في-ريف-تل/ , any opinions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.32.116.216 (talk) 18:52, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Pro ISIS source reported that Regime takes Tel Mejdal and 2 other villages after heavy bombing coalition Air Force.here So that probably YPG and Syrian troops to jointly recaptured these villages. Hanibal911 (talk) 19:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal the villages mentioned by Roboskiye whose capture was confirmed by SOHR aren't nowhere near Tal Majdal but way more to the west (easily seen in wikimapia) and they have only been claimed to be captured by YPG so they should be marked yellow only.

Regarding the joint recapture of Tal Majdal and nearby areas I don't know if pro-ISIS sources are reliable enough for joint YPG-SAA control, these sources often try to make YPG look as a SAA pawn and often are not a good indicative of whether there is joint control or not, like when they claimed Tal Brak was under joint control when the govt forces were only at the highway leading to it. 190.67.43.88 (talk) 20:03, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok the Tal Majdal issue has been solved at the West Hasakah subsection but could someone do the edits posted by Roboskiye? SOHR confirmation and video footage from YPG should be enough.

190.67.43.88 (talk) 21:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911 as of the latest revision you used CCnews map to edit some yellow dots back to black but that wasn't the most recent version of his map, you have to click here:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/nl/map/twittercizirecanton-tap-the-map-for-information_36481#12/36.6512/40.2666

And you will see that Aliya is clearly contested as it was earlier.

Also in the same map that Tal Majdal is neither under kurdish nor under govt control, which can be verified since:

1. YPG's website claims first that the village is under their control but afterwards says clearly that they are ongoing: http://ypgrojava.com/en/index.php/statements/638-cizire-and-kobane-five-more-villages-liberated-through-unwavering-operations

2. Pro-IS sources (including @QNTANIYEH which has been since suspended by twitter) have claimed a counterattack in which they recaptured the village of Tal Majdal: http://www.azzammedia.net/berita-daulah-khilafah-islamiyah-islamic-state/counter-attack-pkk-tal-dibs/

Given how YPG claims contested, pro-kurdish CCnews claims IS control and pro-IS claim IS control I say it should be switched to black, your thoughts?

186.119.58.15 (talk) 20:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

YPG in control of Tal Majdal: Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjNfPF8XSqc

YPG just about 1 or 2 km away from Mount Abdulaziz (Mount Kezwan). The cars coming on the mount are easily visible, as are even the trees countable: http://firatnews.com/kurdistan/salihiye-koyu-cevresinde-catismalar-siddetleniyor Roboskiye (talk) 20:57, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Syrian army and Hezbollah advanced in Qalamoun.

Syrian troops and Hezbollah seize 5 strategic hills in Qalamoun.The Daily Star SOHR also reported that Syrian troops, NDF and Hezbollah take control the control of the hills near Assal al-Ward and Al-Juba after violent clashes with Al-Nusra.SOHR Also reliable source reported that Syrian troops and Hezbollah completed their control of Assal al-ward and hills on outskirts.Elijah J. Magnier Syrian troops and Hezbollah seized control of several hilltops in a mountainous area that straddles the Syria-Lebanon border. Syrian troops and allies had advanced around Assal al-Ward, a small regime-controlled village near the Lebanese border.Al ArabiyaAl ArabiyaReutersThe Worls BulletinDemanjoIsrael National NewsThe NationalThe Jerusalem PostHaaretz Hanibal911 (talk) 16:28, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

SOHR said that Hezbollah backed by Syrian forces take control strategic heights in the Syrian region of Qalamoun that abuts Lebanon's eastern border. The control of the area on the outskirts of Assal al-Wared came following heavy clashes with al-Qaida linked al-Nusra Front.Naharnet Hanibal911 (talk) 17:47, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Another article about this battle dailystar Hezbollah and Syrian troops seized five “strategic hills” in the eastern part of Qalamoun, taking control over the towns of Assal al-Ward and Al-Juba, the sources said. The Islamist militants had seized the two towns in previous battles (probably outskirts). Acording Naharnet Hezbollah and the Syrian Army succeeded in linking Syria´s Assal al Ward with Lebanon´s town of Brital and one more source sayed_ridha Hezbollah has complete control of 45km2 area in the Asal Al-Wared area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.99.136.16 (talk) 23:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911 where are these hills ? can they be added to map and should JAN presence icon be taken away or repositioned .86.178.102.112 (talk) 14:10, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Rebels reported that they tactical withdraw from area of Assal al Ward. And these data indirectly confirm the information on the control of the Syrian troops and Hezbollah on this area including the five hills.hereHala Jaber Hanibal911 (talk) 15:20, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Probably Amin_Akh south. 217.99.75.51 (talk) 16:28, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

According to rebel map (gyshfathqalamon) JAN has withdrawn north to the Homs border area .86.178.102.96 (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Hezb+SAA take more and more area, acording ynetnews the army and Hezbollah were in control of around 100 sq km (40 sq miles). ResistanceER said about this area: here here and here 217.99.75.51 (talk) 17:10, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

And pro gov TV video 217.99.75.51 (talk) 21:05, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Pro opposition source reported that the rebels do tactical withdrawal from their positions and that the military command of rebels decided to adhere guerrilla war and not to stay in any point, so as to avoid Syrian air strikes, and as much as possible reduce casualties.Al Araby Hanibal911 (talk) 21:13, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Map of qalamoun(pro gov)https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/596654683151826944/photo/1 Talat Musa should be added, that's the most important mountain, most of the rebels/nusra is there.Totholio (talk) 08:34, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Totholio This object already present on the map. Hanibal911 (talk) 08:54, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

West to Flitah? It's not showing the name.Totholio (talk) 08:34, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Here Lebanese TV station showed that Syrian troops and Hezbollah captured 100 square km. of area in west Qalamoun.LBCI News Hanibal911 (talk) 09:03, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

According EjmAlrai and PetoLucem map: "#JN and rebels are all in Talat Musa where the biggest battle is expected in the future in #Qalamoun". In this moment rebel in Zabadani are totaly cut off from supply 217.99.75.51 (talk) 09:52, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

More and more territory take by Hezbollah + SAA here and here 217.99.75.51 (talk) 13:20, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911 who changed the rural presence icon from rebel held to regime held and also removed the Isis presence icon???Here is a new map from pro-regime sources that shows that they have still presence in those areas!Lindi29 (talk) 15:30, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Lindi29 I fix this on map. Hanibal911 (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

West Hasakah

It seems that SAA has taken Tell Majdal west of Hasakah [4]. It seems that this fact is confermed by anti government page. Is it sufficient?Paolowalter (talk) 20:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Earlier this day and prior to that tweet YPG posted footage of its forces taking control of the village after the airstrikes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbDp9arEWCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqfUO9SEawM

Confirmation by QasionNews: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=829278840491171

The pro-IS sources that mention SAA capturing the villages all mention airstrikes of the coalition:

https://twitter.com/QHTANIYEH/status/596749442532933633

Seeing how the pro-IS sources often claim YPG victories for the SAA to slander them it seems likely that this is just another case of that happening.

190.67.43.88 (talk) 20:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

We must change the black dot, but I do not know if red or yellow is the right choice. Maybe joint control. The pull out of IS from this location means that also the detailed map must be corrected reducing the black area west of Hasaka.Paolowalter (talk) 20:22, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Seems ok to me, but who do we give the black area to? There's no indicative at all of where did each force attack from and we can't turn the area full red or full yellow just because. 190.67.43.88 (talk) 20:57, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2015

Im neutral with the war in Syria and I'm always active on twitter in which I confirm situation and taken areas, I would like to join and help you guys out. It seriously would mean the best. Thank You

-regards, Syrian123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syrian132 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Qalamoun map

It seems that the Petolucem map https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/597056863042203648 is too favourable to the rebels! In the comment jayrud to rebels is questioned and there is no evidence of the truce being broken. It should stay on truce.Paolowalter (talk) 19:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Agree! His map is contrary to all data from the rebels and from reliable sources. Many realiable sources confirmed that many area recaptured Syrian troopsThe Daily StarSOHRElijah J. MagnierAl ArabiyaAl ArabiyaReutersThe Worls BulletinDemanjoIsrael National NewsThe NationalThe Jerusalem PostHaaretzynetnewsNaharnetThe Daily Star and rebels reported that they tactical withdrawal from their positions and that the military command of rebels decided to adhere guerrilla war and not to stay in any point, so as to avoid Syrian air strikes, and as much as possible reduce casualties.hereHala JaberAl Araby Lebanese TV station showed that Syrian troops and Hezbollah captured 100 square km. of area in west Qalamoun.LBCI News According to reliable source Elijah J. Magnier all Rebels and Al Nusra for now located in Talat Musa in Qalamoun where in the future is expected a biggest battle. So that the map displays erroneous information. Hanibal911 (talk) 20:02, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for finding all that information. This is indeed weird, since even pro-opp DeSyracuse expressed surprise at peto's map. Many people are asking him for clarification and I am sure he will respond to that. It should clear up the situation.XJ-0461 v2 (talk) 21:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911 Sorry Hanibal but you are obviously trying to avoid the rules in a way of showing dozens of sources just for a quantity, but it doesn't help because, unlike other, i read all of them.

• Most of them are using Pro-government or Pro-Lebanon sources in their articles.
• Others use SOHR, but why did you post them if you already posted SOHR as one of those links ? It's not all about quantity.
• EliahMagnier quoted a pro-government source, basically the same text is written on their sites. I do agree with SOHR and some of those sources, because government forces did advance, basically what PetoLucem map is showing, because rebels were in the vicinity of Assal Ward/Falita/Jubah, and now they are pushed way back.

Can you just write again what should not be changed, according to his map, (without posting sources for now), and we will see then. DuckZz (talk) 21:05, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

DuckZz Pro opposition source clear said that rebels tactical withdrawal from their positions and that the military command of rebels decided to adhere guerrilla war and not to stay in any point, so as to avoid Syrian air strikes, and as much as possible reduce casualties.Hala JaberAl Araby But also I agree with you that rebels still have some forces in W-Qalamoun but not such as this showed Petro Lucem. Also for now we not have the data from the neutral or pro government sources except Petro Luce which confirmed that Jayroud under control Al Nusra probably this town still under truce. But on this occasion a lot of questions. Hanibal911 (talk) 21:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911 Yes but i don't know what do you want to say. What do you want to be changed on our map ?? Your twitter source says that rebels withdrew from the area that borders with Lebanon. And as you can see, we removed the rural presence icon in that area and added specific hills. You remember when i said last year, and in this year that Jayroud is controled by rebels, and i posted dozens of opposition sources, including videos, but you sad that we need to wait for more info. The town stayed as under government control. Neutral sources did not post infos about this town because there were no clashes, but that doesn't mean it's under a truce. Now Peto shows it under rebel control, of course as Al Nusra, but we will put a joint rebel control, i don't see a problem here ... DuckZz (talk) 21:35, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

DuckZz It is I put on the map some hills which under rebel control, and Al Nusra. And for now I found another pro government source here which showed that for now our map correctly showed situation in W-Qalamoun. And for now I dont want change nothing in W-Qalamoun. But in situation with the town of Jayoud, still have the some doubts. Hanibal911 (talk) 21:51, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911 But this shouldn't surprise you. Remember for how long was Kafr Shams showed as under government control ? For more than a year. There were no clashes, so no neutral reports were about that town, but then we found out that rebels have the full control. The same for Latakia area, Madaya etc. We have the same situation in Kanaker (north Daraa) where rebels say that they control it, with a truce, and even Petolucem showed once that town under rebel control, but then changed it back to red on the next map.

Petolucem was maybe wrong, he did not showed Jayrud under a truce, but opposition sources say that it is, the same as Dumayr and Ruhayban, showed on this pro-opp map DuckZz (talk) 22:19, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

DuckZz Kanaker under control by Syrian troops and this confirmed pro governmentherehere sources and neutral source here and Ruhaybe and Dumayr under truce(jointly control) Hanibal911 (talk) 06:07, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Peto Lucem has made a map that's favorable to the Rebels? I thought I would never see the day. Next, you're gonna say that Thomas van Linge's gonna make a map favorable to the Regime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.188.171 (talk) 06:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Removing green dot in Kobanê

Why there is still a green dot in Kobanê as well as the nearby villages of Kulmad and Shêran? The FSA left the city and these two villages already in January, when the frontline was shifted to villages far away from the city. Roboskiye (talk) 10:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

You don't quite well understand how the map works. I bet 70% of the villages in Kobane area are empty, because obviously YPG needs like 60 000 soldiers to have 24h presence in all of them. We mark villages according to sources who captured them, and how. Of course we also change the situation if a group leaves a town, and another groups captures it. But as we have a joint force situation in Kobane, it's not important to know if a group still has presence in a specific village, because they captured it, and they both move on. Kobane town for example has still rebel presence as FSA Col.Okaidi and (rumours Jamal Marouf) made a HQ in that town. DuckZz (talk) 15:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Okaidi fled the town after a few days visit realizing ISIS is too strong for him to resist. Jamal Marouf presence turned out to be just a rumor. The Sunni/Green presence in Kobanê was not for joint control of the town, rather to use Kobane soil as base for attacks on ISIS who occupies Arab villages around Kobane. Roboskiye (talk) 15:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

DuckZzRoboskiyeThis Kurdish source sometimes showed wher YPG/rebels jointly fight against ISIS.hereherehere So his maps are sometimes very useful. So his maps a sometimes very useful for us. Hanibal911 (talk) 20:44, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

YPG advances against ISIS in Hasakah

Pro opposition source said that that YPG announced they take control the village of Tel Majdala in the western countryside of Hasakah, after heavy clashes with the Islamic State.ARA News video report from ARA News here Also pro Kurdish source reported that the clashes, which started yesterday in the village of Salihiye to the west of Haseke, are reportedly still continuing.ANF News Hanibal911 (talk) 13:15, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

So the village of Tal Majdal goes yellow or red-yellow? Don't think it can go red-yellow given how the source used to make the edit like that blatantly backtracked, specifically saying "YPG attack":

https://twitter.com/QHTANIYEH1/status/596782195009814528

About Salihiya, does anyone knwo hwere it is located to put the contested dot?

186.119.58.15 (talk) 14:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

YPG sources have during this recent operation talked about two villages named Salihiya:

One west of Hasaka: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.506368&lon=40.393789&z=18&m=b

The other west of Tal Tamer: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.601608&lon=40.093719&z=18&m=b Roboskiye (talk) 15:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I turned again Tal Majdal red-yellow as agreed few days ago. If there are reliable news that it should go yellow, we can change. (Who turned it black?)Paolowalter (talk) 17:51, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal turned it black because yesterday reliable mapmaker CCNews/Cetin had it marked black in his map and IS had announced the recapture of the town while YPG retracted and said that it was contested -you can see in the Tal Tamr section above-, today YPG has again claimed it's captured and posted footage with no indication that SAA participated aside from the @QHTANIYEH1 guy who has previously claimed that both FSA and Hezbollah are present at Rasulain/Serekaniye countryside.

190.67.234.251 (talk) 18:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Kurdish source reported that YPG/YPJ/MFS forces have taken control over the International highway between Cizîre and Aleppo, 35 km west of Tal Tamir.Cahida Dêrsim Hanibal911 (talk) 20:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Also pro-IS source has claimed to take over Al Rawiya near Tal Khanzir so it should go contested? https://twitter.com/mediaactivst37/status/597504062037295105 190.67.234.251 (talk) 21:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Kurdish source claims YPG-YPJ captured Salihiyah west of Hasaka: https://twitter.com/curdistani/status/597519410493001728

SOHR confirms advancement for YPG in the area:

http://www.syriahr.com/2015/05/اشتباكات-عنيفة-وانفجارات-في-عدة-مناطق/

190.67.234.251 (talk) 23:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Al Manshara and Debes Checkpoints in Jesr Al Shoughour

Rebel sources claiming shelling of the Manshara CP and taking over Debes CP. This means both checkpoints are SAA held at the moment. [5] [6] ChrissCh94 (talk) 15:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)