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Aza Raskin has just been speedily deleted. Not only was it at the wrong page name (lower case surname) it does not strike me that someone who maintains a website is notable enough for an encyclopedia. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 12:35, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• The page has been restored, however has been added to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion instead. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 17:25, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• ISSUE: delete page- "Aza Raskin"

ORIGINAL text to Graham follows: Please do not bite the newcomers and AssumeGoodFaith Thank you Sir for sharing your opinion with me. However, I will argue with you firstly, in the words of a very successful statesman, "Without investigation, no right to speak!" Enough said for some, never enough for others.

In future, may I suggest that you exercise some measure of civil discourse prior to such hasty action. The page, which you have deleted, was a work-in-progress. I doubt very seriously that many people would consider Mr. Raskin's project with such disdain as you have just shown. In fact, THE project referred to is of major importance to the global community.

In future, please be courteous enough to at least make a pretense of being civil by enjoying a minimum of exchange with the writer, PRIOR to inflicting your abusive manner on anyone.

It is irrelevant whether or not the page was formatted correctly or if you agree with its content, it is the manner in which you choose to address the issue, which I am objecting to.

Please replace the page Aza Raskin with the following content (immediately below) at your earliest possible convenience and after having done so, we may pursue and conclude a conversation, at which time, if we are both in agreement, you may then delete or add-to the page, as the case may be.

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The Humane Environment or also know as "THE"

Aza is a core member of a project called The Humane Environment; The website supporting it is designed and maintained by Galen Panger and Aza Raskin. Mr. Raskin is THE son of Jef Raskin, original creator of the Apple Macintosh interface.

More information about Aza and THE can be found at http://humane.sourceforge.net/home/index.html

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Kindly advise me when you have replaced the page. I am in Japan +9GMT and will be away for the weekend. Please accept my appolgies if you find this offensive in any way. It is not my intention to create estrangement, but I do believe apologies are in order. If I am mistaken in my assertions, let me be the first to apologize- in advance. But do, please put the page back up until we have a chance to discuss it next week. It neither harms or offends anyone in the meanwhile.

In closing, please be advised that Mr. Raskin is unaware of my posting. This was a preliminary link to a complex thread of postings for a work in progress. It is not neccessary for people to be ancient, well known, famous, dead or otherwise to be of significance to the global community.

Thanking you in advance for your imedaite attention.

With my sincere best regards, --Proton44 16:50, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC) ENDS

• Which may be found at: User talk:Francs2000/Archive4. I haven't deleted your comment, just moved it. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 08:27, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Copyvios and dupes

The below, by Rhobite, which is posted on my "talk page"  is patent rubbish. I will leave it here so that
history and proper investigation might one day serve justice on Rhobite and his/her ilk. I won't waste
another keystroke wih this so-called "community" of nit pickers. You all spent much effort at finding fault. Not a single
one of you actually made an effort to "assist, coach or teach".  Rhobite, in case you didn't know it... there
is nothing new under the sun, all knowledge is second hand; and by your own actions and methods you have very clearly
setup a "you" and "me/we" environment. My condolences on what must be your countless losses to date. I can't begin to
imagine how many would be contributors have been turned away by your collective pettiness. You needent worry about
vanity pages in future, as this entire project seems to have become vanity central. The vanity of the so-called admins is
pervasive. You can confidently rename the whole thing WikiVanity! the above was written by User:Proton44

Hi, you have submitted several copyright violations to Wikipedia, as well as duplicates of articles we already have. PEMFC and NASA Ames Research Park were both copyright violations, and duplicates of pre-existing articles. In the future, could you please a) not submit copyrighted material without permission and b) check if an article already exists on the topic you are contributing to?

On a related note, you must stop adding links to your solar tower project in articles. They are not relevant to most of the articles you added them to. What you are doing is borderline spamming - I consider it "astroturfing," and I believe you're doing it to drum up support for your project and to increase its Google rank. Thanks. Rhobite 01:30, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry to see you go. You have to understand that nobody here has a duty to accept and clean up your copyright violations and duplicate articles. PEMFC may not be the best example of that, but the NASA one was a dupe and was cut and pasted from another site. I know nothing about fuel cells, and I didn't put any information on the PEM page. If you see anything you'd like to correct, feel free to correct it. If you ever decide that you want to contribute your own knowledge and expertise to this encyclopedia, instead of appropriating the work of others, please come back. It strikes me as very odd that someone who runs a site using Wikimedia software, and champions "open source" ideals, would disrespect Wikipedia by submitting copyright violations as his own work. There is no "you" and "we" here. We're all here voluntarily, you're free to edit here, but please don't expect everyone here to clean up your messes. Rhobite 03:12, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)

Welcome back. The NASA photo is not encyclopedic. It's just a group of people, in a meeting I believe is only marginally relevant to solar towers. Photos in this article should be relevant to the subject, in this case they should illustrate the appearance, structure, or concept of solar towers. That image is more suited to a press release. Please read Wikipedia:Choosing appropriate illustrations for more info.

The copyright violations you submitted are as follows: HOPE Curriculum, Cookson Boats. I think Reversible Fuel Cell is also a copyvio. In addition you copied content from US government sites without attribution on PEMFC, NASA Ames Research Park, Hydrogen fuel. Although government content is sometimes public domain, you need to attribute it and also make sure there is no duplicate article, as there was for PEMFC and NASA. Rhobite 22:59, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. I just noticed your little diatribe. I'm sorry that you feel you should be able to violate copyright laws and use Wikipedia as a marketing tool, but if you want to continue here at Wikipedia you should prepare to follow the rules. I am at this moment making an effort to assist you, and I don't really enjoy being treated rudely. If you'd like me to continue to help you, drop the attitude. Rhobite 23:03, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)