Talk:A Rose for Emily

Copyright?

Yes, that this entry should be rewritten to confirm to normal copyright specs.

Huh wha...? To say "A Rose for Emily" is "strongly referenced" in that MCR song seems like more than a little stretch. "To The End" may have similiar themes but unless someone can show me where the band makes this connection, it seems pretty forced to me. Pariah23 21:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

"A Rose for Emily" is under copyright in the US through 2025 (copyright 1930, renewed 1957), and in Europe and other life+70 regimes through 2032 (since Faulkner died in 1962). Bootlegs have been posted in some of those countries for quite some time; I have removed links to them from this article. (Note that besides the COPYVIO issue, the most common bootleg copies also have bad text: "cuss the riggers", for instance, is not what the original says near the start of section III.)

Faulkner's works are out of copyright in life+50 years countries (which currently includes countries like Canada and New Zealand.) I don't offhand know of any copies posted there, and am not sure what Wikipedia's policy is for linking to such copies when copyrights are still in force in much of the world. JohnMarkOckerbloom (talk) 14:32, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

THIS SHORT STORY WAS NEVER RENEWED AND THE COPYRIGHT FOR IT LAPSED IN 1958 WHEN IT ENTERED INTO THE pd DUE TO LACK OF REQUIRED COPYRIGHT RENEWAL IN THE 28TH YEAR. 66.195.42.6 (talk) 18:32, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Cache

The Google link at the bottom is broken (or unhelpful) at least on Firefox. --threedimes but anyone knows why the witter use non-chrolonogical skill? what is his purpose?

I think it was out of order as the people wer back nostalgically about her. the sections were different people. (hey, its plausible as the narrator is unknown). 71.42.124.91 23:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC) people were nostalgic

Purple Rosebuses?

The plot summary mentions Homer poisoning Emily's purple rosebushes. I cannot find a single reference to anything purple or any rosebush in the story. Where the heck is it supposed to come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.70.104.169 (talk) 02:15, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. Andrewmin (talk) 13:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. WP:BOLD :D Hardtofindaname 09:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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My college professor also said that Homer was gay. She mentioned that in the book that he also liked to wear white and pink gloves, which was considered odd at that time, as it would be also be today. Can anyone confirm? yes he was — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celtsfan999 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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The phrase "he liked men, and it was known that he drank with the younger men in the Elks' Club" is very similar to contemporary characterizations of Walt Whitman. In that context, the statement was meant to imply (accurately) that Whitman was romantically attracted to men. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.199.100 (talk) 03:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

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he didn't wear pink and white gloves. they were yellow. that probably would've been normal for the period.

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It doesn't matter if your college professor says that Homer is gay. However, if your college professor has published a scholarly article on the subject, then please bring the article forward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.147.123 (talk) 03:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Issues

I have several issues with this article.

1 2) If this article is to include the spolier (and I think it should, due to the fact that the main dispute over A Rose For Emily is in regard to the ending), the arguments and ideas about what actually happened should be included, as well as the generally accepted ideas. For example:

-It is accepted (even though it is not explicitly stated in the writing) that Emily poisoned Homer Barron.
-It is also therefore conjectured, especially because he is described as "not the marrying type," that he would not marry her, which supplies her motive for the poisoning (keeping in mind that her family had a history of insanity, and that she wanted Homer to stay with her as her husband, whether he was alive or not).
-Hto it, as if he were still alive.
-One very rare opinion is that she only lay with the corpse at death/shortly after death. This opinion is supported by the fact that they had to break into the room, and that it appeared as though it had not been disturbed for 40 years. However, there is some dispute as to whether she had gray hair at the time of his death or not.
--Two for joy 20:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

She died at age 74. Gray hair at 34 would be a rare condition (though not impossible, cf. Steve Martin in The Jerk), so I doubt seriously Faulkner had that in mind. ―AoV² 10:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

-Some say that Emily was killed by Homer and not Homer killed Emily because Homer can change and copy their figure from another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.18.117 (talk) 04:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Homosexuality

"Homer Barron is most certainly not gay, and was never suspected to be. The language used is simply an expression that can be taken the wrong way in today's society. The statement in the is only ment to say that he liked to drink with the guys and wanted to remain a bachelor in order to continue his partying. In fact, many picture him as being manly (or at least not feminine) due to his involvement in construction and his position as foreman." Homor barron is a good person

The Body

I've just removed this: "Yet Homer's at all, but rather that of Emily's long-deceased father. Daughters of domineering fathers may find it hard or even impossible to part from the paternal figure, and Emily may have wanted to preserve him, and not Homer, forever."

The story clearly states that her father was buried.

yea that quote is bs --Rairun 03:32, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Civil War Allegory

I'm a bit worried about the Civil War allegory given. It claims that Homer can be viewed as the North and Emily as the South, but then does not offer an explanation for why Homer was portrayed as a Northerner and Emily as a Southerner, which would contradict the allegory. Without any citation for the allegory, it's highly unbelievable. Citations for the other points in the article would also be nice. 129.2.194.197 03:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Kudos, whoever you are. I was about to say the exact same thing, but you had beat me to it.

Faulkner himself (in "Faulkner in the University" edited by Frederick Gwynn and Joseph Blotner contained in "The Bedford Introduction to Literature" 5th ed. by Michael Meyer; Bedford/St Martin's; Boston; 1999) says in response to an interview question about the story being an allegory for the North and South, "Now that I don't know, because I was simply trying to write about people. The writer uses environment- ehat he knows- and if theres a symbolism in which the lover represented the North and the woman who murdered him represents the South, I don't say that's not valid and not there, but it was not the intention of the writer to say, Now let's see, I'm going to write a piece in which I will use symbolism for the North, and another symbol for the South, that he was simply writing about people, a story which he thought was tragic and true, because it came out of the human heart...It was a conflict not between the North and the South so much as between, well you might say, God and Satan."

No concrete evidence for homer's homosexuality

There is definitely no concrete evidence stating that homer is gay, so it should not be stated as if fact. I will edit this statement.

Song based on this book

The song "To the End" by My Chemical Romance seems to be related to or based on this book. 71.3.45.182 (talk) 00:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The Zombies song

There is a song by The Zombies called "A Rose for Emily" which is about an old woman who is destined to die alone. Seems related, but I haven't been able to find a reliable source that asserts such a connection. Cahofd? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.195.122 (talk) 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Necrophelia?

Necrophelia is the "sexual attraction" to dead bodies. Can we really say she was sexually attracted to Homer (who by the way is not gay)? It seemed more to me that she just liked sleeping with him, not having sex with him. Evaunit♥666♥ 03:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Colonel Sartoris

I removed the sentence claiming that the Colonel Sartoris mentioned in "A Rose for Emily" also appears in "Barn Burning." That is untrue; the character in "Barn Burning" is merely named after Colonel Sartoris, who by that point in the history of Yoknapatawpha county is likely dead or near death (not a young boy). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.81.50.169 (talk) 16:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• That was probably meant to refer to Colonel Saunders, who was mentioned as having remitted Emily's taxes. USN1977 (talk) 19:39, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Colonel Sartoris is mentioned in Barn Burning. Sarty states that his dad was in Colonel Sartoris confederate army. 74.96.123.45 (talk) 00:28, 7 December 2011 (UTC)ODU student

Miss Temple

I searched through the book, no mention of Miss Temple. However, she is referenced twice:

"Miss Temple, her only remaining childhood friend" "Emily and Homer strike up a conversation after an accident with the sidewalk leaves Miss Temple paralyzed." (which, by the way, didn't happen either)

Andrewmin (talk) 13:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

References to Miss Temple/purple rosebushes

Note: I've removed these references as they aren't actually in the story. (I have the story here in front of me.) Hardtofindaname 09:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)