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The [[Pritzker Military Museum & Library]], which is a Wikipedia GLAM participant, has holdings that can be used to improve this article. It is also running an exhibit entitled ''SEAL The Unspoken Sacrifice'' through December 2014. [[User:TeriEmbrey|TeriEmbrey]] ([[User talk:TeriEmbrey|talk]]) 16:10, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
The [[Pritzker Military Museum & Library]], which is a Wikipedia GLAM participant, has holdings that can be used to improve this article. It is also running an exhibit entitled ''SEAL The Unspoken Sacrifice'' through December 2014. [[User:TeriEmbrey|TeriEmbrey]] ([[User talk:TeriEmbrey|talk]]) 16:10, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

== NCDUs at Normandy ==

Unfortunately, this is a very poorly written section, one that suffers from massive POV problems. The NCDUs are discussed as if they were stand-alone units and were the only elements involved in breaching the beach obstacles.

The assertion that "The NCDU teams (designated Demolitions Gap-Assault teams)" is flatly incorrect. In fact, the NCDU were not themseleves the Gap Assault Teams (or Assault Gapping Teams). They were only part of such a team. The GATs were made up of two elements. The first element was a 26 man Army combat engineer unit. The Navy part of a GAT was based on a 6 man NCDU. As structured, the NCDUs were not able to perform their missions, so they were augmented first by 2 sailors and then 5 additional Army engineers. In other words, of the men tasked to clear a 50 yard breach in the obstacles, only 8 were Navy personnel, and only 6 of these were assigned to an NCDU. The remaining 31 men on the team were Army engineers. The GAT as a whole was commanded by an Army officer who directed their operations on the beach, and the GATs in turn were part of the Army Special Engineer Task Force. NCDU members made up just 15% of the GAT, yet this article twist history to the point that it appears the NCDUs did it all themselves.

By the way, the gaps were supposed to 50 '''yards''' wide (yards, not feet) and 300-400 yards deep, depending on how far the obstacles extended seaward.
[[Special:Contributions/73.235.236.46|73.235.236.46]] ([[User talk:73.235.236.46|talk]]) 04:46, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

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Added content by User:RekonDog

I have added content while conducting research about the U.S. Marine Amphib Recon Bn, came across some interesting facts that I added to the UDT. Even though the content I added are only under the UDT Early History section. The other history made it confusing to where I should place it since I added more in-depth info which has similar content spread throughout the article. My contribitution may feel like it consolidated all that info already listed. Please disperse my contributing facts accordingly, thanks!
RekonDog 16:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

NPOV, style, overall...

I don't know where to start, but that article needs a major rewrite, some expample to illustrate my point:


"Beginning a tradition that continues today, these brave men contributed immensely to the war effort."

"Training commenced with one grueling week designed to eliminate the men from the boys. Some said that the men had sense enough to quit, and left the boys."

This is perfectly fine for a veteran home page (from one which this whole text was probably copied verbatim), but for Wikipedia it seems a bit strange... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.249.45.148 (talk) 12:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree... I made some changes a few weeks ago, but didn't want to do to much for I was afraid of upsetting fan-boys. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 23:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fort Pierce Photos

I have some Official U.S. Navy Photos of the Fort Pierce training in WWII. I'll put one or two of them in the article, but I'm really looking for people who might be interested in seeing them. Obviously this article has some knowledgeable editors, and maybe they have an interest. Let me know by email or on my talk page. Lou Sander (talk) 14:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnam article

I edited Lien Doc Nguoi Nhia to Liên Đoàn Người nhái. I'm Vietcong :D ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.68.140.40 (talk) 14:58, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PMML Holdings

The Pritzker Military Museum & Library, which is a Wikipedia GLAM participant, has holdings that can be used to improve this article. It is also running an exhibit entitled SEAL The Unspoken Sacrifice through December 2014. TeriEmbrey (talk) 16:10, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

NCDUs at Normandy

Unfortunately, this is a very poorly written section, one that suffers from massive POV problems. The NCDUs are discussed as if they were stand-alone units and were the only elements involved in breaching the beach obstacles.

The assertion that "The NCDU teams (designated Demolitions Gap-Assault teams)" is flatly incorrect. In fact, the NCDU were not themseleves the Gap Assault Teams (or Assault Gapping Teams). They were only part of such a team. The GATs were made up of two elements. The first element was a 26 man Army combat engineer unit. The Navy part of a GAT was based on a 6 man NCDU. As structured, the NCDUs were not able to perform their missions, so they were augmented first by 2 sailors and then 5 additional Army engineers. In other words, of the men tasked to clear a 50 yard breach in the obstacles, only 8 were Navy personnel, and only 6 of these were assigned to an NCDU. The remaining 31 men on the team were Army engineers. The GAT as a whole was commanded by an Army officer who directed their operations on the beach, and the GATs in turn were part of the Army Special Engineer Task Force. NCDU members made up just 15% of the GAT, yet this article twist history to the point that it appears the NCDUs did it all themselves.

By the way, the gaps were supposed to 50 yards wide (yards, not feet) and 300-400 yards deep, depending on how far the obstacles extended seaward. 73.235.236.46 (talk) 04:46, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]