User talk:Bishonen

My saved bits

Second subpage

Archive 1, Archive 2, Archive 3

Images woo-hoo

Check out my A Tale of a Tub and Jonathan Wild articles now. This image business is easier than I thought. I so need my books now, though, and always the ones that the movers lost or that I can't find or that I sold for money long ago. The Jonathan Wild could not have happened without your help. Thank you again. ("A m00se once bit my bagel.") Geogre 01:08, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Also, thanks for the help on the subpages. My talk page was over 100 kb long. :-( I just clipped out the langorous discussions of deletion. Now that I find that my ISP's "no files" prohibition doesn't seem to apply to uploads and that I can upload an image, I'm even thinking of putting an image of Macheath on my user page as an illustration. Take some attention away from that dreadful boast box I've got and the essays. Geogre 04:06, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

When you scan images, why not make them a bit more high-res? Most scanners can handle pretty high resolutions, and I think you should scan @ at least 320 dpi. Low-res images don't print well, and since a print edition may be in the future for Wikipedia, I think we should strive towards large images or vector art. Future display devices may allow for a lot higher resolutions too. — David Remahl 15:20, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I see your point. I did go with low res, but I'm also a dial-up user, so I'm always one to worry over load times. However, I encourage you and Bishonen both to take a look at the Tale-stages image I put in there (last image in the article). I did a 200 dpi scan there (not what I do if I'm going to print, I agree), and the screen resolution on the full size version of it is exceptional. I can see details of the woodcut that I never saw before. Bishonen, you might like it because of its depiction of the stage. Geogre 18:51, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi

Fantastico regarding the images, I am about to make (any second now) a big change to architecture, take away all the little stuff surpluss to requirements and have the three big ones. Voted for Geogre, though less than delighted to see it was the horrible Fillioch (or whatever his name is) who was so horrible about my very witty (I thought) Acts I, II, and III - hope he feels guilty now; but well done geogre it is a briliant article Giano 20:45, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Me horrible? Po-faced, maybe, but really quite nice deep down inside. At least A Tale of a Tub looks like making FA, unlike my other current live nomination. Filiocht 14:36, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)

Just finished all the edits which I was not going to do today, I've now written all I know on the subject, I've been a bit POV at Seaton Delaval. and I think the idea about Villa Foscari is all mine, but I'm convinced of it -so there it is, its a big thing to take all the other buildings out, but I think there was too much information, most of them are demolished or changed anyway, this is simpler a progression 3 stages: start; middle; end. What do you think - be honest!

Regarding the image tags: I don't know how to apply them, I just upload and give an explanation of where I found things and hope for the best, I moved Castle Howard in JV tonight and it fell exactly where I wanted it, but that was pure luck - In a wonderful hotel room tonight with a great view of Edinburgh Castle flood-lit shame Vanbrugh did not design that, London tomorrow night and a chance to check the books - good night Giano 21:37, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well........er...! Some of them don't exist anymore, I just felt they were cluttering the page up, but they were not major works just alterations, no doubt later all the locals will come in,some day, and edit all their favourite houses into the page. I think I've done all I can do now, you can decide when its finished. London (and what passes for home tonight), so I can check a few facts and dates, but I don't think I have any more contribute much more. Seaton Delaval may prove a little contravertial as ,Villa Foscari, is a new theory, its OK; but there may be an odd accusation of POV, I can always change i. I like the idea of a quote section, but a warning about the page's length is already up! Take care Giano 06:32, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I just figured out how to apply image tags. Ok, after you upload the image, go to the image's page. Go to edit the page. Just add {{PD}} and save. I didn't figure out how to do it until now. (BTW, I've added a woodcut to Battle of the Books. The enlarged version is at 300 dpi, and it's enormously detailed.) Geogre 14:33, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Good Afternoon

Instead of playing with wikipedia, why aren't you working yourself to death like me and the rest of the world! The picture is great, I mean it, if you think its too big (just change the px, I only know how to do it in the format my pictures are in), but I think its OK as it is. I had the same problem as you logging in this morning and the whole thing was a bit slow. I reckon your plays read brilliantly, I've learn a lot, we didn't study much Vanbrugh at school by the time I arrived in England I only studied economics, girls, cigarettes and myself!. As Oscar Wilde said "Youth is wasted on the young" or was it Shaw. Any way to the point: Yes the lead has got to be extended, do you want to do it? If you do, I'll then come in and 'tweak in' a bit on the architecture. I think we need a little more on 'Marriage and the man' (not sure about that heading either) I realised this morning we had him dying without a date.

We also have to resolve what we are doing about the 'dates' as you know I liked them bold, but after the brief period with User:Clever-Clever I'm not so sure, the same with 'Act I' etc.

I have mixed feeling about JV on featured article, It would be great, I've never had a page there, have you? Nor have I taken much interest in it, I once nominated a page of some-one else's, and every one one so rude I never went there again. If they are rude about it, we shall just have to rise above it, look what that daft man said about Geogre's, but it looks like at least he Geoger will go through. I've asked Wetman to look at Seaton Delaval to see what he thinks, if I was a bit too POV, I don't normally get this in depth! but the page demands it. Will be away for a few hours afternoon, then back in L and some free time untill tomorrow. Problem is 'Adolescent' has turned up in London too, apparently school permits him hours/days (months it seems) of free time to study, which means he hugs the computer, (and we can only connect one at a time to the internet there) claiming its school work, I shall demand some money back of that school soon, he's never there! Regards 213.122.70.199 12:19, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC) (That is me Giano, I can't log in!) Just had longer look. new lead is first class, I've nothing to add there - great job (logged in and out) Giano 12:40, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Just been treading in your department, and moved Haymarket section to the new 'Van the man' I think Haymarket tells a lot about 'Van the man'. If you don't like it there revert it back, it's only a suggestion really. I'm off now and wont surface again untill mid evening, I shall be on hooks now in case I've trodden in angry waters (mixed metaphor there!) Do revert if your not happy Giano 13:49, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi, JV is yours for the evening. Just arrived home, kicked adolescent off the computer and out to find a take-away Pizza for 4 (well, we are Italian) I had not spotted Filliocht's comments, better be careful what we say! - am sure he is a charming and deligtful person. No you edit away, I've plenty to do, Adolescent seems to have been here since Monday with a friend, and we've run out of mugs and teaspoons and (Wife not me) forgot to put the dishwasher on when we left last month (very unpleasant!) phoned wife in Rome who said; why are you always so hard on him, I can't do everything, is bambino hungry! Have read book on the plane which said "Dryden's death in 1700 marked the end of an epoch in Restoration comedy" so you see I am trying to improve myself. Funnily enough I have a book on Dryden's family home Cannons Ashby a country house in Northamptonshire, should you ever want to do a page on him. Will check emails next, one of ny book has a black and white Kit-Kat of Congreve and Joseph addison (was he a writer?) if that's any use, will go to library tomorrow if time. So you edit away, I will put bleach and loo cleaner in the dishwasher and turn it on, can't think what else to do, does Wikipedia have a page on household tips? Giano 19:00, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Woo-hoo2

And now the Jonathan Wild is seriously illustrated, thanks to you. The second image is very macabre and very interesting, and it's enormous, if you look at the expanded version of it. It's a ticket to the hanging. Howson really pulled some wild stuff (no pun) for his book. What a great thing to have. Thank you. Geogre 22:07, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sheesh

Ok, I give up on the Tale. How hard is it to be scholarly? I could have presented the whole history of each critical debate, yes. I would have made an annotated bibliography. I could do a history of criticism on the work. The authorship debate is the silliest thing in the world. No one even talks about it. I was just being a Good Guy by talking about it, because Guthkelch and Smith talked about it. <sigh> I know that other 18th c. folks would say I was fair. You know it. No point, after a certain interval, in trying to convince anyone else, though. Like I said, though, Jonathan Wild is the FAC article I've done. Oh, well. Geogre 22:34, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Woo - hoo3

Where you learn to do that then? Fantastico, really great. *BUT* have you seen what its done to the KB size of the page; but that need not be a problem, I've decided, the three milestones have to be drasticaly cut, they are too long, and the developing baroque theme linking them is not clear enough, so don't alter the picture size yet.

It may take me a couple of days though, apparently my son is on half term (I had forgotten) so he going to schoolfriends for a few days today. so at least I don't have to fight for computer, and say I am doing important business!

Great job with the images, superb clarity with JV himself, it would be shame to diminish even slightly. This is not a race to finish, is it? Regards Giano 07:48, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

PS

Why would a Sicilian peasant know who Joseph Addison is? Was he the one who did dope, and sang in a Jazz club?

Exploding Pages

Hi, With a huge stroke of luck, a client has just phoned to say he is unable to make an appointment, so am going to give JV my undivided attention for a couple of hours, I'm at home with a cold and a bottle of whisky; but you edit if you want to. I just copy text into a folder, and then dump with an edit in the end. Don't worry about the size untill something explodes. All my photos are in that formulae as I copied it from somebody else, and don't know any other way, but some people seem to do all sorts of clever things, you can specify right and left though which is quite clever, but I like the way you have it at the moment, are there any pictures of Seaton D in your book, old prints, ths type of thing which are old so PD?

I had completely forgotten Addison invented the light bulb Giano 10:43, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I have reduced the text by a few 100 words, added one extra image, sadly reduced your biggest to more modest proportions, and we have IKB to play with before our size is up to the limit. Regarding the stub pages (which are all crap) were I writing them I would bang on about their entire history, gardens, furniture, people who lived there etc; where as on JV the only information is purely connected with JV himself. See what you think anyway!

Filliocht has added a new heading to your new bits which are exceptional, I think we should just plough on now, and when we have all we think should be there, then take out surplus adjectives and generally tighten it up, this man is a big subject, he just can't be squeezed into a few sentences. Cold bad (I think I am dying) son gone away for two days, wife not here, all on my own, nobody loves me!Giano 15:29, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Never assume anyone sees the implications expand. No he doesn't edit, and I can guess exactly what he looks at! Giano 16:16, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC) Hey! Good news, the jazz article on todays FA is 37KB long so perhaps it doesn't matter that much 213.122.6.73 16:33, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Placement

Placement is perfect, can you take the frames off mine too? Thanks Giano 13:22, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Love the beefing up, brilliant; just a minor point of Englisch speek "undercover for the interests fostering the deposition" don't know why, it doesn't sound like the way they say things. I know your English is better than mine but......! Why have the fames returned, I thought they were great without. Apart from that its great Giano 14:48, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

NO - we are not leaving it! Lets see it through we've put too much into this to walk out on it now! Must remove those frames though it was so much better without them! Giano 16:24, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I see we now have Castle H,BP and SD linked and mentioned at the beginning as well as intro to architecture, I'll sort it later, (I will put in use on for about 10 minutes while I do it) - I haven't a clue how to fix the photos, and am reluctant to expirement for obvious reasons. (there's a message for you on my talk page, by the way!) I think we are very nearly there, what are you thinking avbout the chronology table Giano 16:52, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

John Vanbrugh

Hi there - thanks for the message on my talk page (as it happens, I also saw your message on User talk:Conte Giacomo first and replied there too - and while typing this I see that you have seen it and posted another messsage on my talk page).

I'm sorry for the confusion - it is all my fault, I am afraid, through an excess of enthusiasm: I thought you had finished your edit and forgotten to remove the {{inuse}} tag as it had been marked as "inuse" for over 4 hours. Yes, four hours is rather a long time to prevent others from editing, particuarly as my edits were really just copyediting and markup rather than content (I has assumed that you were working on the content and left that alone, mainly because you are the expert and I am not).

I was just being bold and trying to fix the table layout with a <div>...</div>. I also made the images a bit bigger and added a "thumb", and a frame just comes automatically when an image is marked as a "thumb". I didn't realise that you had deliberately removed the frames. As it happens, I generally prefer the look of images with a frame.

Yes, I also copied the sentence to go at the top of the Playwright section because it seemed to be the most appropriate one to act as an intrioduction, as was suggested on Talk: John Vanbrugh. Again, not being the expert, I just duplicated something that was already there and would be factually correct, in the knowledge that the experts (you and Conte Giacomo) would sort it out if it wasn't elegant enough.

Unfortunately, the wiki way is to see your work "edited mercilessly and redistributed at will". On the whole, it leads to better articles - everyone has something to bring to the table. However, I can understand it is a bit upsetting for you to see a stranger (me) hacking away at your carefully crafted prose, but I hope that it doesn't put you off. If you prefer, I'll go away and leave you to finish the article. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:25, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Good morning Bishonen, I've left you an email about the finale for your thoughts. The 'see also' section seems to have an external link to Kimbolton Castle, I haven't mentioned this in the text as to list every house with a desription would be tedious for the reader, but if Kimbolton is to remain then there must be mention of the others, these are all in a mish mash of styles depending on the whim of the owner and patron, so little to do with V's architectural concepts and ideals. I think you had some plays etc. on 'see also' - Why have you removed them? If you don't want them there we might as well remove the whole section. I will put a explanation on talk pafe as to why I haven't banged on for pages about other designs. Giano 09:58, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi, Giano, I've moved your message to the John Vanbrugh Talk page and replied there. --Bishonen 11:32, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I only popped in for a split second, thought about putting the flag on and could not be bothered, I was only editing it by section perhaps you were doing the same and that's why we were lucky. I'll be careful I've seen that anger of yours! (any way why didn't you put the flag on? Giano 13:03, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Who is David? Giano

David Remahl, a young Swedish programmer who kindly explained to me how to display images with or without frames, etc. It's all on his Talk page in case you're interested. He'd done a little programmer's edit in John Vanbrugh today, as Chmod007, coding the dashes in the reference list. My edit line was just for taunting him by pointing out I'd removed the dashes anyway. :-) (I was following the Wikipedia house style for book references — that kind of editing is more transcendently unimportant than I can even express, but by vocational accident I know to do it and it hardly takes any time, so why not.)

Well, I think I might be more stressed with the flag than without, you know, I don't want to use it any more. I'll just use a text editor and pop in and out as fast as I can.

Edit conflicts wouldn't even matter as long as we're not editing the same section. How about we keep each other posted on this page? I'm on "Playwright" with all its headings, I'll post here when I'd like to move on. Are there any sections below that you definitely think you're done with for today? Oh, and if I try to put years on "my" headings, will you do the same for Architecture and following? Just so we can see a)if it's possible (I mean, what years did the audience taste change?) and b) how it would look? And let me know your thoughts about it, I do agree that readers need help if they're not goinig to get lost in amongst all V's different activities. --Bishonen 13:45, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

put the message here so you get the sign, you can have JV all afterenoon, I am going out to lead a life (buy some food actually) as the incredible hulk has returned, and we can't live on take-aways. Have fun Giano 14:09, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi Bishonen, Its amazing we have not had a disagreement in this entire project, so try the table if you like, bit I do think putting it on the headings solves the problem, and creates a table (of sorts) anyway. Does it really look that bad? A table is going to be a long column, what is going to go beside it, and have you seen the length of the page already? That sums up my feelings, but this is a joint thing, perhaps we need a third view, what does Geogre think. If you really hate the headings lets go for the table. We are NOT going to fall out over this Giano 07:49, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sick as a pappagallo!

Is this really what you had in mind?

• 1664 Born 29 January
• 1686 Commissioned in the Earl of Huntingdon's Foot Regiment
• 1688 Arrested at Calais in September
  • William III lands at Torbay 5 November
• 1692 Transferred to the Bastille
• 1693 Returns to England
• 1694 Takes part in naval battle in Camaret Bay 7 June
• ≈1695 Moves to London
• 1696 Première of Colley Cibber's Love's Last Shift in January
  • Première of The Relapse 21 November
• 1697 Première of The Provoked Wife in April
• 1698 Publication of Jeremy Collier's Short View of the Immorality and Profaneness of the English Stage

• 1699 1st architetural commission
• 1699 Initial designs for Castle Howard
• 1705 Commencement of work at Blenheim Palace
• 1704 Main structure of Castle Howard completed
• 1717 Final quarrel with Duchess of Marlborough, and leaves Blenheim.
• 1718 Begins work at Seaton Delaval
• 1718 Work on Seaton Delaval Hall begins
• 1722 Blenheim Palace completed
• 1723 Knighted by George I
• 1726 Dies at Whitehall 3 May
• 1728 Colley Cibber publishes Vanbrugh's unfinished posthumous play "A Journey to London" and premières his own finished version of it, called The Provoked Husband".

and Seaton Delaval completed.

Like a vampire, I will not be about much in daylight this week, I have not abandoned JV, will look in when possible - Giano 22:09, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi Bish; Very well - I surrender! Geogre has a point (I suppose), have you time to sort it, I am up to my ears in work here, and then have a working dinner tonight, until anout 12, and then have to leave at 6 tomorrow morning. Not emailed you today, so you've not missed anything. I'm really quite pleased with the article, if it does get dammed at FA, we must not let it bother us, I saw your remark about argueing on Geogre's page, we are in this together, I have been called a 'vicious rottwieler with a nasty bite', so don't worry we shall survive! US is off, so little more time than anticipated, but I will be away all day tomorrow.Giano 15:29, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The chronology looks pretty good. You know what a demon I am with 2nd Stuart politics or Augustan politics or whatever the era is called, so I'm always interested in putting in bits about the political scheme. Too bad I can't just be a Marxist critic. That would be much easier than being a marxissant critic. Anyway, I've explained a great deal more about my own suggestion for the organization. As for the FAC voters, I think the nominator matters more than one would suppose. Perhaps not. I can never tell whether I am the most hated, most loved, most ignored, or most ambivalent figure around. I seem to be all in different lights, but you should perhaps ask Waxman for the renom, since it was his nom to begin with, when you guys feel ready for it. Also, call on me when you don't care about my mucking about in the prose.

Not sure I get the last bit, please unfold.--Bishonen 10:40, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I keep having these flu-like symptoms that aren't due to the flu, so I can't tell when I'll feel strong enough for a goodly project, but I remain eager to help. Geogre 00:51, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'm the only one allowed to be ill arownd here, and I've still got a blocked nose! Bishonen are you still editing in there because the flag. is up and I have permission from a 'personal site' owner to use images of Blenheim which is great, I'm uploading them as we speak, no hurry if your editing away, but don't neglect the elk, they need love and attentionn too! Giano 17:06, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

PS Could you use your skills to take the frame off the oval image of the portico at Blenheim -that would be great, speak to you later, off for an hour or two now - see we failed FA! 213.122.47.211 17:38, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC) Thanks for doing that, I can't edit tonight, keeps logging me out etc; just left you an email, from what I can see you are doing a great job. I love it Giano 21:44, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

We are getting in a mess here, I've sorted the 2nd doubling I shall not touch it again tonight, I keep getting outdated pages etc. I think we are in esch others way. It all yours for tonight - sleep well Giano

FA

I think you've dobe a great job in there, I shall not be editing al all today, so you can have it to yourself, or have you finished? What do you think about Geogre's comment on talk? I'm prepared if you are, but if you don't want to see your work dammed - fair enough. Either way its a very complete page, and I'm quite proud of it, whatever others may say. Giano 06:57, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Before you write another word, have a look at FA now and Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and its edit history, and see what happens to long pages. So write for people with a short attention span! Have left you an email 213.122.111.26 16:17, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC) That was me in JV for 2 seconds have extended lead (as per your requirements) that is my very very very last word on this subject!!!! Giano 17:02, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

PS: I see its anonymous again server keeps logging me out

Admin

Hey, it's about time you become an admin! Be bold :-). — David Remahl 11:04, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I second that, btw, if you want it. Not sure you do, but, if you do, I think you'd get wide support. Geogre 03:15, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"Template-style transclusion"

elements cross-posted

What I meant by "perhaps we could spin it off into a sub-page for template-style transclusion, if you're worried about Wikitax page length issues", and more specifically, by "template-style transclusion", is using, in the same way that we use templates, something like {{included template}}; the content of the referenced template is 'transcluded', or automatically put in the middle of the article with the above tag. For example, {{:Main Page}} would include a copy of the Main Page in the page you put it in. "Wikitax" is just a (but perhaps not the) name for the set of codes that we use in the MediaWiki software, like '' and [[.

In the case of John Vanbrugh, however, I don't think that this type of hiding of the content is a particularly good idea, as there is no large single block of content that is unlikely to want to be edited much, unlike on the PM article with the list of former PMs; a better tactic would be to do the much more standard Wikipedia method, where larger sections are summarised and the bulk of the content is spun off into another page (for example, John Vanbrugh as a playwright and John Vanbrugh as an architect, or perhaps something rather better-named).

Yours,

James F. (talk) 11:32, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well, looking at John Vanbrugh, I think that you're right in that it really does need shortening, but, for example, the section on his "early life" alone could probably be easliy expanded by another few thousand words, if one felt the inclination. Part of the difficulty of being an editor is showing editorial discretion, and knowing what to cut. Thankfully, this being online, we can keep the "deleted" stuff, in another article, but if we show no judgement, eventually the article will be less useable, and so less good.

It's a horrible thing to do, to butcher one's baby article, but... ;-)

James F. (talk) 14:04, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It is done!

Edict from Giacomo:- Leave JV alone, there is no more we can do. We can play with it for ever. The page is credit to YOU! Giano 22:28, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Will you please stop fiddling with it Giano 09:40, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It probably will be! Giano 10:46, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I do not want people who are so stupid that they do not know what a stable is reading MY article. Giano 11:43, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Is there a great void on your screen, at the beginning of Seaton Delaval, ther is on mine where the photos used to be, 'Aloan' cannot see it, perhaps its just my screen, you seem to be very busy, I suppose I ough to read architecture, but cannot being myself to, the shock of my photos being diminished and stood end to end was quite enoughGiano 16:00, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

No void on my screen, no, but I can't say I approve of having the facade (=the whole huge building) of Blenheim Palace (=Vanbrugh's most famous achievement) reduced to postage stamp size! I think I'll drop a note about that one specifically on JV Talk (I see you have already complained about the monumental gate, but as a lay person, I'm worried about the facade, because the shape it is makes it so very tiny when aligned with the rest.)--Bishonen 16:12, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Something wrong with my server again, editing out of date stuff, I will log off for an hour Giano 16:41, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC) )

It is done and well done, too. Y'all did exceptional work, and this John Vanbrugh is a better source than any found in any brief account. Excellent work of scholarship, collaboration, and comprehensiveness. Both of you are hereby awarded one Medal of Valor (of which I have no jpg's, so you'll have to hold it in your minds alone). Great work. Geogre 20:01, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

File:Herooflabor.jpg

In the absence of a Medal of Valour, here is a gold star (apologies for awarding you an ex-Soviet honour). -- ALoan (Talk) 22:23, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

As I mentioned to Giano, the gold star comes the title of my hero for the day - you'll have to share it with Giano, so keep the title for the weekend ;) -- ALoan (Talk) 22:34, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

OK we change the title to draw in the crowds! John Vanbrugh and the dirty Duchess; Vanbrugh Uncensored; Vanbrugh, the naked truth; The secret life of John Vanbrugh; or finally Menage a trois - John Vanbrugh, Queen Ann, and Sarah Churchill, illustrated - Should you not feel like adopting one of these options go and have a look at my new image, found today, I've stuck it in reputation as I've always thought it could do with an image or two there. Cheer Up Giano 12:19, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Football cancelled because of infant-over-eating-of-chocolate-I-feel-sick syndrome; just as well,as I have fielded the first ball at FA, probably not too well. We will not shorten that page; I would rather see it taken off FA if it comes to it Giano 15:06, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I can't find the ignorant and illinformed comment you were just telling me about, where is it? Giano 17:31, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hey, my opinions are not ill-informed!

BTW, I agree with you guys: don't shorten the article. The whole point of it is to be complete. You balance the needs of comprehensiveness with the duty of conciseness well, and any change would be an imbalance, in my opinion. Your article is far shorter than the general Dictionary of National Biography entry, a bit longer than the usual Encyclopedia Britanica article, and does, therefore, exactly what needs doing: gives a full portrait that doesn't attempt to be all that can be said. Could more be added? Hell yes. All the cultural background could be thickened. Should anything be added? Hell no. Can anything be clipped? Not really, unless a whole play or building gets clipped. Should anything be clipped? Absolutely not. It would be better to know that you had written one of the best articles on the man around and not have an FA than to have to make that sort of concession to an arbitrary rule.

Speaking of football, 3:30 PM and it's the dawgs vs. the gators. Go Dawgs! Geogre 18:27, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Le Vau

" Le Vau showed a sensitivity to Italian Baroque architecture that was unusual in a French architect, and his College of Four Nations (1662; now the Institute of France) in Paris owes much to the Roman churches of Santa Maria della Pace by Pietro da Cortona and Sant'Agnese in Agone (1652–55) in the Piazza Navona by Borromini and Carlo Rainaldi" My personal view is that Vanbrugh was not influenced by Le Vau; or Versailles, with Blenheim Vanbrugh had a once in a lifetime chance to copy Versailles, he dod not, in any way. There is nothing in Vanbrugh's work which fits with the above summary of Le Vau; I think Castle Howard and Vaux le Vicomte is as far as it goes. Vanbrugh almost certainly would have seen Versailles though, any "Gentleman" could go there so long as they wore a sword! I would leave well alone. Giano 16:50, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC) PS: I completely agree with Geogre. Giano 16:53, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Mortgages

Very clever, but so was the Great Train Robbery are you quite sure this is all legal? Giano 20:48, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC) I thought you were tired of JV and going to leave him alone Giano 21:13, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

John Vanbrugh FA

Bish, I just tried to edit the FA page to reply to a comment, I had to try three times before success, the first two times when I pressed edit, it said: "John Vanbrugh was withdrawn". Then third time lucky. Is this why there is so little comment do you thing. Away all day so you are left holding the baby! Giano 07:49, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and my emails are playing up again, so if you,e sent anything since 7 last night, I've not seen it! Giano 07:58, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

By the way, the John Vanbrugh article is wonderful and it's great to see high-quality, 'high culture' articles listed on FAC. Filiocht 15:27, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

Home. Just leave it for a while as it is (length wise) Others are starting to agree with us, so hold fire for now, it's only one person wante to shorten it. The whole thing is stupid, really stupid. We have not written this for people with the attention span of a gnat! Giano 17:54, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Achille has just gone out for a new battery! Giano 22:22, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bishonen of the Decade

Ah! But does anyone else! Did your Mother never tell you: you should not read other peoples mail Giano 07:14, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your message and congratulations on the Barnstar. If you list a 'high culture' article on WP:FAC it will draw less attention than the Simpsons or Sesame Street, but this listing is doing pretty well. I'd be inclined to let the 'to long' objection sit for a while as I do not see it drawing any support so far. It really is one of tthe three or four best articles I've seen here, by the way. Filiocht 08:50, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

John Dee

Now nominated on WP:FAC. Filiocht 08:39, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement (and the actually making it happen) on this. It hasn't been nearly as scary as I thought it would be. PRIIS 02:34, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Image problem with my Mozilla

As the code had previously been set up, the table was defined as belonging to class "floatright". I suspect that this class is defined in the default (monobook) style sheet, but not in the Cologne Blue, which I am using. As a result, my browser didn't know what to do with that class, and I had a column of images at the left side, with lots of empty space on the right, followed by the text. I just explicitly added a style sheet specifying "float:right". If someone had modified their stylesheet to make class "floatright" appear somewhere other than floating at the right, my change would foil them and force this to appear where you (we) want it. However, I find it very unlikely that someone would have done this. The long-term solution for Wikipedia would be to have someone add the "floatright" class to the Cologne Blue skin. I'll mention that on Village Pump or on meta. Mpolo 09:18, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, Mpolo, I could understand most of that, and it sounds good.--Bishonen 11:18, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Is a mozilla a type of dog, or a cheese? Giano 13:18, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ah, listen to the poor Internet Explorer victim, very sad.--Bishonen 18:34, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I only noticing now your commenting above! Thank yoo for the barnstar!!! What attention now John Vanbrugh is a now a receiving - Magnifico. I had seen those numbers a few days ago, I thought they were the result of one of your tweaks - I shall email you some private thought on the matter later today - Giano

Headings on John Vanbrugh

John Vanbrugh looks like that (e.g. 3.2.1.2 Sequel: The Relapse) for me all the time, with numbers in front of the headings. There is an option in your preferences to turn automatic numbering on or off: have you changed it? If not, perhaps you are picking up an old cached version: try refreshing. Hope that helps. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:57, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

That is what hierarchical headings are for! It makes more sense in mathematical, legal or scientific works, rather than biography, but it makes perfect sense for me for articles to be broken down that way. Each to his own, as they say. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:07, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Tak, Tanke, Danke, Gracias

Wow. What did I do to get the rose? Thank you for it. It smells lovely. (Odd that I was just starting to write again when you awarded it. :-)) I so need to get down to brass tacks with the Dunciad. It's just so daunting. I handled the Tale, but I had like 3 years of studying it. Dunciad is rather like trying to write the fair and comprehensive article on Hamlet. I can write when it was published and what it is, but that's just not fair. Thanks for the rose. Geogre 19:15, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I uploaded the image myself, used some fancy code from David to get rid of the frame, and then got an edit conflict when I tendered it! It's for all your articles. . If the Prose Rose catches on, remember you were the originial inspiration for it. You da man, Geogre. I'm really looking forward to your Dunciad.--Bishonen 19:39, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Queen of the Night

Well you've been having a busy evening, I think changes to JV are fine, leave well alone now, are you sure you want to take those things out. How can those few words I wrote have put the thing up a KB. See you and aloan have been having long conversations on my page without me! I've been to the opera this evening - The Magic Flute, so now going to bed singing the aria ha ha hah...ha..ho ho ho .ho. ha he ho hoho ha, trouble is not quite the voice, the neighbours will complain again Giano 23:50, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)