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Article deletion Gurd Grill

would you help me get this article right, because i don't understand how this article can be deleted when its about the biggest hip hop artist act in Namibia

Article deletion Manoj Shroff

Hi there,

I am new to wikipedia. i have recently created manoj shroff article http://deletedwikipedia.gawker-labs.com/wiki/Manoj_Shroff (Manoj Shroff) and it has been deleted several times. I have mentioned our websites as reference. it is simple biography of a person. i would like to know why it has been deleted and how to restore deleted article. Please help.Omrov (talk) 08:11, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

@Omrov: The article was clearly promotional. It was full of "Mr.", which we don't use (it would just be "Shroff" after the first mention, which would be first and last name). It was full of puffery like "...Indian business magnate...", "...a private conglomerate well established in the IT, Furniture, Hospitality, Beverage and Pharmaceutical Industry." (for this last, there's also the issue of way too much capitalization), "...His dedication and hard work at Al Habtoor Motors...", "...unique value proposition...", "...company provided excellent after sales service...", "...reputation for excellent financial management...". All that is marketese and puffery, and not a bit of it is referenced by an independent reliable source actually saying those things about him. We do not allow the use of Wikipedia for promotion, not of anyone or anything. All articles must be strictly neutral in tone and content, should avoid adjective overload and stay to neutral descriptions well supported by references, and should absolutely not be or read like a CV. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 22:08, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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Guild of Copy Editors June 2016 News Hello everyone, welcome to the June 2016 GOCE newsletter. It's been a few months since we sent one out; we hope y'all haven't forgotten about the Guild! Your coordinators have been busy behind the scenes as usual, though real life has a habit of reducing our personal wiki-time. The May backlog reduction drive, the usual coordinating tasks and preparations for the June election are keeping us on our toes! May drive: Thanks to everyone who participated in last month's record-setting backlog reduction drive. Of the 29 people who signed up, 16 copyedited at least one article, 197 copyedits were recorded on the drive page, and the copyedit backlog fell below 1,500 for the first time! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. June Blitz: this one-week copy-editing blitz will occur from 12 June through 18 June; the themes will be video games and Asian geography. Coordinator elections: It's election time again; how quickly they seem to roll around! Nominations for the next tranche of Guild coordinators, who will serve a six-month term that begins at 00:01 UTC on 1 July and ends at 23:59 UTC on 31 December, opens at 00:01 UTC on 1 June and closes at 23:59 UTC on 15 June. Voting takes place between 00:01 UTC on 16 June and 23:59 UTC on 30 June. If you'd like to assist behind the scenes, please consider stepping forward; self-nominations are welcomed and encouraged. All Wikipedia editors in good standing are eligible; remember it's your Guild, and it doesn't run itself! Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Miniapolis and Baffle gab1978. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Deletion of In The Loop Magazine: 08 June 2016

Hi. I am the owner of In The Loop Magazine. I created a page for it today. Almost as soon as I posted it, it was deleted. I went back and reviewed the policies for creating a new page and don't see anything wrong. Can you please review it and let me know what I did wrong? It pretty much follows other music magazine pages to a T. Thanks. James Currie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_The_Loop_Magazine

@Beintheloop: One thing is that we usually discourage someone who has an interest in something from writing an article about it. It's not actually prohibited, but it makes it very difficult to remain neutral and to rely only on material from reliable sources rather than relying on one's personal knowledge and experience. Not a knock on you by any means, I try to stay away from writing about things I'm very close to for exactly that reason.
As to specifics on the article, here's the first paragraph in the body: "Officially launching in the Spring of 2014, In The Loop Magazine was created to bring attention to the Chicago music scene not only with local artist, but the ones that became national acts as well as the club and venue scene, the producers, the agents, the managers, touring acts, the artists designing and creating multimedia for music videos, concert posters, album art and more. There are other publications that talk about music in Chicago, but the are not 100% devoted to it solely and or segregated by genres or styles. They are mixed media publications that also talk about politics, sports, gossip and other non music news related material. "In The Loop Magazine" set out to be different and promote only music news happening in the Chicagoland market." That reads like it comes out of a glossy brochure. There wouldn't be any reason for an encyclopedia article to discuss, for example, the perceived shortcomings of other magazines.
The other issue was one I mentioned above, reliable references. It's required that article content be verifiable through reference material from sources that are reliable, and that don't have an interest in promoting (or denigrating) the article subject. Self-published material is usable on a limited basis for non-controversial facts, but it should never be the main basis for an article. Nor is personal knowledge or experience usable as a source, a reader should be able to verify the information. There were no reliable references cited in the article, and if there aren't any available, we wouldn't be able to have an article on the subject at all.
If you do know where to find reliable source material about the magazine, that'd be a very good start. If that's not available at this time, then I'm afraid we couldn't have an article about it until such material does become available. But even with good sourcing, the article would be required to be neutral in tone and content. As it was, it read like a sales brochure. That may not have been your intent, but like above, it's really hard to stay neutral on something you're close to and passionate about. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 05:48, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Article deletion Tosin “OloriSuperGal” Ajibade

Hello dear,

The above page was recently deleted and in adherence to the rules, I want to recreate the page without the promotional slanting but a decent page that will abide by the rules. Could you kindly inform on the next steps. — Preceding Olamide Bello comment added by Olamide Bello (talk • contribs) 08:46, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

@Olamide Bello: First, you would need to demonstrate that this individual has been covered to a significant degree by reliable references not affiliated with or having an interest in her, and that this reference material would be sufficient to sustain a full article. What reference material would you plan on using for this purpose? (Also, I am Seraphimblade or Todd, not "dear"). Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 00:43, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

You guessed it...

...the Toreeva delete. However good the article ended up being, WP:TNT was pretty clearly indicated, no complaints there (that's why I struck my 'delete' !v, but didn't oppose it either). But, tell me, looking at the article as it stood just prior to deletion (a lot of further work had gone into it, I think from generally disinterested parties), do think that would withstand AfD now? _Muffled ^Pocketed 16:33, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: Betting on AfD results would probably be a fool's game, I wouldn't even try. If you'd like it restored to draft space to work on and have reviewed before returning to mainspace, I wouldn't have any objection to doing that. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 16:41, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

I'd appreciate that; is the strategy to leave a tactical gap between the two events (deleting and re-presenting)? Clear the air, perhaps? Cheers, _Muffled ^Pocketed 16:45, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

It's now at Draft:Natalia Toreeva. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 16:48, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Oh, to answer your other question, the "strategy" is no more or less than if it's reviewed at AfC and someone experienced there thinks it ought to go across, it probably should. There seemed to be a good deal of thought at the AfD that the subject might be notable, so it's worth a go. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 16:51, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

✔ thanks very much for your help! _Muffled ^Pocketed 08:51, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

My request

I had asked in the AfD for Steve Voudouris if the article could be usefyed for me. Can you do that? Niteshift36 (talk) 17:38, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

@Niteshift36: Moved to User:Niteshift36/Steve Voudouris. Please remember that it shouldn't indefinitely remain there if nothing to improve it can be found. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 20:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. It may take me a few weeks, but if I can't get it done in a reasonable length of time, I'll request deletion. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:19, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of Battleground Records

Hi Seraphimblade, I'm here to inquire about the deletion of Battleground Records 2016-06-12, and ask that it be restored. It was deleted due to promotion of a company, and because it did not indicate the significance of the company.

On the first point, I am not a member of the label or any band on the label. I am a fan of several bands on the label, some of which I have seen in concert. Some bands have undertaken a national tour, well outside the boundaries of a local band. I used the Wiki page for Small Stone Records as a template as it is also a small label focused on similar music genres as Battleground. I have nothing to gain in promoting the label or bands on the label, and am simply attempting to give Wiki-credit for strides made by the label (and ultimately a festival) to bring music from these genres to a bigger stage.

On the second point, I felt my characterization of the label as an American independent record label, the focus of the label, linking to bands on the label who already have Wiki pages (the fact two bands under the label have Wiki pages alone provides significance to the label in terms of Wikipedia), as well as specific genre description clearly indicated the significance of the record label within the genres it targets, though I did not specifically state "this label is significant because". Granted, I did use the label's wording of what they are about in the description, but that can be easily amended. There are numerous record labels throughout Wikipedia meeting or falling short of the specifications of what I put in Battleground Records, such as Almost Ready Records, Ars Benevola Mater, Binge Records, Bellaccord Electro, Carrot Top Records (of which, issues are listed in the header at top from four years ago), Cheap Records, Glurp Records, and Humming Bird Records, to name a handful out of the hundreds of different labels within Wikipedia.

I cited my sources with the limited information available; limited due to the less than mainstream love for these types of music.

Lastly, I plan on following this page up with a Southwest Terror Fest page, which just completed its fourth year. It has been a prominent festival for bands within these genres. Battleground Records has been influential in helping bands get onto this festival.

Please consider restoring this page, and if there are major things you feel need to be addressed to bring it into compliance, please let me know. From my standpoint, I only see one major thing needing to be addressed, which is "...and promotes a stable platform for artists to build their future success on."

Labattblueleaf (talk) 04:08, 13 June 2016 (UTC)labattblueleaf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Labattblueleaf (talk • contribs) 03:51, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

@Labattblueleaf: Firstly, "The label focuses all efforts on a small roster of artists in the underground music scene, and promotes a stable platform for artists to build their future success on" is straight out of a glossy sales brochure. Articles must be neutral in tone, and that is promotional language. Doesn't matter why the article is promotional or if you have any financial interest in it, it only matters that it was. As to the rest, first, Wikipedia is not Wiki, and there is no such thing as "Wiki-credit". If there's a good amount of reliable source material about the label from sources not affiliated with or having an interest in it, an article could be written using that reference material and not personal knowledge. If there is not, we cannot accept an article on the subject. Do you know where such reference material might be found? The same is true, incidentally, for bands on the label or the proposed festival article; they must be based on solid, reliable, independent source material, never personal knowledge. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 09:56, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

I did forget to address one point: "Other stuff exists". It is entirely possible for some things in a topic area to have enough source material to have an article, and others not. It is also possible, of course, that someone just hasn't noticed they don't. It looks to me like at least some of those other label articles may need to be deleted as well; I'll be reviewing them. But the existence of one poor article isn't justification for another one. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 10:00, 13 June 2016 (UTC)