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Undeleting Article to Continue Working
I would like to be able to edit the page Gregorii as I think that it provides value to wikipedia. I was not finished with the article and have reputable references and citations to add. Also, there is historical content and descriptive info pertaining to an evolution of artistic stlye. It is not propaganda or promotion, but a page about an artist who is creating a new artistic process involving light that is changing the way digital art is viewed. I would really love the opportunity to update the article with the sources and with any other feedback you might provide. Thanks for the consideration.
- The issue that led to deletion is stuff like the following, though this is by no means an exhaustive list:
- "...a unique, mood-provoking method..."
- "...but something seemed to be missing. Gregorii wanted to incorporate a full emotional experience into the pieces..."
- "...designed to completely immerse the viewer in the overall emotional experience felt by the artist..."
- "...the grandest structural shape of our environment..."
- "Oil lamps gave a lively look to the art..."
- That is all spam and puff. The article was full of breathless exhortations like that, and we will never allow an article such as that, written like a glossy brochure. Also, the reference after the initial naming is "Trombo", not "Gregorii"; per our manual of style, we do not use the first name except to initially name the person. If you can show me some reliable sources that cover this person in depth, I'll try to help you with writing an appropriate article. If those do not exist, I'm afraid we won't be able to have such an article at all. But regardless, any article must be strictly neutral and based strictly upon content from those reliable sources, and not in any way serve as a promotional piece. For someone who does art, I imagine a neutral piece would seem rather dry and lifeless, but I'm afraid that's still a non-negotiable requirement. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:19, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. I have an updated version I'd like to resubmit. How should I do that? --Tangerinecircus
- @Tangerinecircus: If you'd like to post it in a userspace draft, I'd be happy to take a look. Also, the lack of references was a significant issue, so if you'd like to note here what reference material is available for the article, I can give my thoughts on that as well. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I've included reference and taken out the "fluff." If you could please review the revised edit here. I really appreciate your help and feedback.
Thank you for the feedback. I'll go through it again and see if I can add more references as well. I'm learning there is a big difference between journalistic writing and writing for wikis. Yes, this is my first article, but I wanted to make sure I could get something that works before attempting any more. :)
OK. I updated again with more explanation and references and stripped out a bunch of the other stuff here. Thanks!
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- Technically, I suppose it is "on topic", but the request has already been made and noted in several places. We've seen it, there's really no need to have it posted all over the place. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:22, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Editor Assistance Request
Dear Seraphimblade, I was trying to fix the health section of the Ramadan article. There are extremely dubious medical claims on that section titled as Benefits and their sources are not reliable for scientific topics. I first removed the content (and explained why I removed them) which I thought was not supported by RS's and looked like Fringe ideas. It was reverted and I was asked to seek consensus. I tried to do that, and further searched for scientific studies that may be useful for that section, and find out that claims in our article had no basis in any respected scientific study. You can see the discussion(or rather a monologue) here Some people in that talk page are quick to revert but really reluctant to address the issues. Do you think I should back up a bit or am I right to insist that those claims should be removed? I don't think we would accept a medical article to have these kind of claims with these sources, why should we allow them in other pages? Thanks in advance for help. Darwinian Ape talk 16:35, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Darwinian Ape: I would start by having a look at the standards for reliable sources for medical claims, which are normally more stringent than for other types of information as there is a lot of junk medical information floating around out there. WikiProject Medicine might be able to give you a much better analysis than I probably could, so you might consider asking for their thoughts as well. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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