User talk:Agtx

Red Shirts (Southern United States)

The entry incorrectly calls the Red Shirts "white supremacist" paramilitary groups. This is incorrect however, due to the fact that there were blacks in many of the Red Shirt groups. Here is just one account: <Drago, Edmund L. (1998). Hurrah for Hampton!: Black Red Shirts in South Carolina during Reconstruction. University of Arkansas Press. ISBN 1-55728-541-1.>

A more historically accurate qualifier would be "Democrat" paramilitary groups, as these organizations were formed to insure the election of Democratic candidates in local and state elections.

KAvin (talk) 05:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)KAvinKAvin (talk) 05:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

@KAvin: I've responded on the article's talk page. agtx 18:16, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

As have I. So, the incorrect label of "white supremacist" stays because you did a review on a piece of a book, and that agrees with what another guy, who admitedly hasn't read the book either, says, so that is your basis for leaving incorrect information on this page?? That and maybe it doesn't fit nicely with how YOU believe groups in the Post WBTS South should be catergorized and labled??? The fact is alot of blacks in different Red Shirt groups across the South were "card carrying" members with equal member rights, same as white members. That one fact in itself should be enough to leave my edit alone, as it is incorrect and is not needed in the definition of what the Red Shirts were.

KAvin (talk) 02:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)KAvinKAvin (talk) 02:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Just letting you know I turned this over to dispute resolution, as I am required to do. Here is a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Red_Shirts_.2528Southern_United_States.2529.23Red_Shirts_.28Southern_United_States.29

KAvin (talk) 13:37, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Re: revert of profanity

Hello, I am aware of WP:BOWDLERIZE. There was a conflict between to Wiki rules - the one you have mentioned and WP:GRATUITOUS. It states that "Offensive material should be used only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available.". In my opinion the entire exact quotation, as used in the article, is not necessary to make it revelant and informative. I have considered WP:AGF, but finally I have decided to revert changes of that IP user and change the content of the section to make it clear without unnecessary occurrence of direct speech. Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 21:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Tymon.r: I appreciate your looking into it further. In any event, I do not think it was an appropriate use of standard rollback with only a template message to the IP. I understand tools like Huggle make it possible to go very fast when reverting, so I might suggest taking a little more time when looking at edits. agtx 21:53, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I agree I could use other, custom message to the user as situation was not the standard rollback case by WP:ROLLBACK. While making quick decision in Huggle I had to distinguish if it is done in good faith or appears just to make the site's content more offensive. Taking into account WP:AGF, I reached the conclusion it should be reverted as it doesn't improve the article in anyway. I have fixed that in my recent edit. Thank you message, I appreciate your tips. Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 22:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

W. T. Wallace

Hey, I have to disagree with you about declining CSD of this redirect. The same author has created three more - W T Wallace, W.T. Wallace and WT Wallace. You have called WP:CHEAP rule arguing the page should not be removed. However, remember redirects are sometimes costly, especially when they cause a mess or are just obviously not needed. In my opinion the name of subject is so popular and the subject itself is so not significant, that keeping redirects to the article could be a reason for the problems with creation of a new page and the general downgrade of order on Wikipedia - for me that justifies using WP:SPEEDY and asking for immediate, stressing that regardless of that what I said before - these redirects are just not useful at all. I have started RFD. Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 22:30, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@Tymon.r: It appears from the sources cited that the subject actually did go by "W.T. Wallace." In that case, all of those redirects make perfect sense, and I see no reason not to have them. I'll post the same at the RFD. agtx 22:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Winery link edit, addition, accidental removal.

I think you may have accidentally removed the entire section for wineries. I reverted your action on this. All the best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:8100:4A:F041:FF99:52CE:2181 (talk) 04:11, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Scholar of Record

Hello, Agtx. I am new to Wikipedia, and have read the guidelines you sent, thank you. In including the name you deleted in, for example, the entry for well-known Iowans, I am submitting a purely factual statement. Please let me know if you need additional citations, referrals, or third-party documentation. Thanks. Scholar of Record (talk) 03:28, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@Scholar of Record: I understand that you're new, and I'm glad you read the guidelines. However, just because a statement happens to be true doesn't mean that it belongs on Wikipedia. Every single one of your edits has added a book or article by the same person, often in places where it's only tangentially related. If your goal here is to promote that author, then it's not going to work out. If you're interested in adding meaningful content, then I suggest that you start by making some edits that don't have to do with Mr. Jack. agtx 03:32, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

If one is an author or scholar of record or a leading authority on the subjects one is editing, what is the best way to reference one's work without seeming promotional? A Further Readings section or footnote including bibliographic data? Scholar of Record (talk) 03:43, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@Scholar of Record: The best way is not to do it. Otherwise, you can have a look at WP:SELFCITE. You are allowed to cite yourself, but not in a manner that is excessive or promotional. Going through articles and looking for ways that you can stretch the subject in order to be able to cite your work would be considered excessive. Mentioning the name of the author of a book in the text of an article when the identity of the author has no relevance to the subject would be promotional. Adding an Amazon link where one can purchase the book is definitely promotional. As I said, if you're only here to look for ways to promote a certain author's books, then that's not going to work out. agtx 03:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@Scholar of Record: I should add that if you are indeed such an authority, then you likely to know of many other sources you can cite for the same propositions. I'd recommend citing those other sources, and letting other people cite you. agtx 03:50, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Talkback

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Merinakutas (talk) 06:43, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Return

Pardon if I offended anyone, I was just saying that a vote was marked by a personal subject's posture (saying this as a way to alert the community and think about the mentality of those who do this type of claim). Att. 177.182.217.143 (talk) 00:17, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Agtx,

Scholar of Record

I understand your position, though I'm beginning to feel as if Wikipedia, and its editors, don't have much appreciation or respect for local knowledge or fame. For example, I list my great-grandfather as a well-known person from the home township because he wrote a nationally known book. To an anonymous content editor sitting somewhere in Texas or New York, this may seem like only so much promoting of a family or a family name. But what if your family *is* one of a handful of pioneering families, and deserving of mention in their little corner of the world and beyond it? And who will promote our own forgotten history here if not we, its citizens? When I enter my grandfather's name as a literary figure from our township, with citation, it hurts to see his name removed by an anonymous editor. Don't grandparents who achieved great things deserve mention, if accompanied by proper documentation,Scholar of Record (talk) 03:50, 3 October 2016 (UTC) in the Wikipedia page devoted to their township..their six mile by six mile corner of the earth? I certainly think so.

@Scholar of Record: I'm not unsympathetic to your stated desire, but let's look at how your edits appear to the rest of the world. This one doesn't contain anyone's great-grandfather. Neither does this one. Nor this one nor this one nor this one nor this one. What it looks like is that you are making edits that all promote Zachary Jack. Even the ones that do reference someone's great-grandfather somehow end up focusing on Zachary Jack. If you've got independent, reliable sources that demonstrate that a great-grandfather is relevant to an article's topic, then it may well make sense to add them. However, if your goal is to promote Zachary Jack's work, then you can't do that here. agtx 14:43, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Scholar of Record (talk) 15:09, 3 October 2016 (UTC)Ag tx,

Several of the edits I made try to include great-grandfather and grandson, as you see. Both are included in the Authors Collection and Special Collections at their state university; both are documented. It is not uncommon for their work to be viewed side by side by scholars in the field. If I include one without the other, I am doing a disservice to both of them, who come from the same county and township. If the great-grandfather were alive, he would include the great-grandson, I am certain. We stand side by side in our successes and our failures in this part of the world. I understand your position, but I would hope you would reconsider the removal, at least, of our names from our town and our township history. I would also ask, out of respect, that you remove specific names from your public posts. It is important to me to respect your anonymity in this way, using only your chosen screen name to address you and to refer to your edits, and I hope you will do the same for those you edit and remove mention of proper names in our discussion.

Thanking you.

If you'll note, I very carefully did not write or imply that you are and I don't know (or care) if you are. I commented on the topics of your edits to Wikipedia, which is, in fact, Zachary Jack. agtx 15:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

@Scholar of Record: I did make one edit above to remove something that could have so implied. agtx 15:16, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Agtx,

I appreciate your vigilance, but I don't feel as if in responding you've honored the spirt of the admin guidelines and talk user guidelines. If I erred in my edits on the very first day I joined, it was because I made them before I was able to read the relevant guidelines, as you would be able to see from the relevant posting times compared to message opening times.Scholar of Record (talk) 17:51, 3 October 2016 (UTC) Before I read your guidelines and understood how things worked another editor wrote me conveying the same but in a way that I felt was much more in keeping with behavior expected of admins. Is there anywhere I can go to further raise concerns?Thanks

@Scholar of Record:I've moved your post up here, and it would help if you would stay in this section when you make future comments. Just post right below mine. I should note that I am not an administrator. I am an editor, just as you are—I've just been around a little longer. If you feel I've wronged you personally in some way, I'm happy to discuss it. If you want someone to review my actions, you can open up a thread at WP:ANI or comment in the one that I already made about your edits. I will say, however, that I have tried hard to be patient here. What I'm understanding, though, is that you don't really like what I'm saying. I hope that you stay here and edit productively, I really do. But I think you need to consider why you're here. The goal of WIkipedia is to build an encyclopedia. If your goal is different from that (say, to memorialize/honor your relatives or to increase the exposure and citation of a certain author's books), then this isn't the right place for you. agtx 22:50, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Scholar of Record (talk) 14:47, 5 October 2016 (UTC)Agtx, I definitely feel wronged by you. You mention in your bio that you help guide new users, but it feels like you are punitive, harsh, and bullying to people who are learning how and what to post. I feel as if you have violated privacy in the needless posting of proper names on a public talk forums and made potentially libelous statements about respected and long-established periodicals. It is enough for you to make your points and have them honored (which they have been). It it not at all okay to disrespect privacy by needlessly repeating a proper name in a public context over and over, violate confidentiality, or make potentially libelous statements. Your also violate the "assume good faith policy--reacting the way you did to someone who made their initial edits in their first and second day, before being sent the pertinent guidelines, is antithetical to the principles outlined in WIkipedia. If you would like to fix these issues, I'm wiling to try, but otherwise I will need to file a dispute, and I'm too new to even know how to begin that process.

You are welcome to go to WP:ANI, create a new section, and ask for my actions to be reviewed. If you feel bullied, I apologize. That was not my intention. I do not believe that I have violated your privacy or libeled you in anyway, and I would caution that making such charges at ANI without being able to back them up could result in WP:BOOMERANG. And while I do like to help new users, I think that based on our interactions so far, you would be better off working with someone else. agtx 15:14, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Morla Gorrondona

I have added a source for the tidbit of info I have on this actress, hopefully enough to have the deletion box taken down? Deicey (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2016 (UTC)Deicey

@Deicey: Sorry no. Have a look at WP:UGC. IMDB isn't a reliable source. agtx 16:06, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

@Agtx: Alright, I have removed the IMDb link and replaced it with her official site. Deicey (talk) 16:10, 3 October 2016 (UTC)Deicey

COI

Dear Agtx,

thanks for your note! My name is Alexander Gorlach, as such I have a conflict of interest with regards to all articles concerning myself and related subjects. Before your message it was not clear to me how to contact someone at Wikipedia in regard to full discolosure. So thanks a lot for reaching out.

I earlier today and some day prior updated the article about me. I did not create the article in the first place, this happened, as it seems by the tag above it, in 2011. So I added a lot of credential sources from indepdenent third parties.

I truly hope this disclosure is helpful and the sources placed in the article legite to keep the post as it is.

Many thanks and all best

Alexander Görlach AlexanderGoerlach2 (talk) 16:18, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Deleting

Who are you and why are you deleting a page I am trying to create? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acadianrobotics (talk • contribs) 17:21, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

@Acadianrobotics: I'm an editor just like you are. The reason I've flagged your page for deletion is that it reads like an advertisement, not like an encyclopedia entry. WP:PROMO explains this policy well. agtx 17:23, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

@Acadianrobotics: I should have added, you can use the process at WP:AFC if you want to edit a draft without anyone bugging you. Then, you can submit it for consideration when you're ready. agtx 17:24, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Deleting

I understand but give me time. I am just trying to start a page. Don't be a wiki Nazi. Give noobs a chance to learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acadianrobotics (talk • contribs) 17:25, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Larry David is Jewish

How do you consider it vandalism if i am merely stating a fact?