User talk:Mann Mann

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Just to say that the IP you reverted there because their edit summary didn't match their edit is banned under WP:PERUNBAN, I've just caught up with him. Doug Weller talk 13:17, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

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Probably new one

"Kuzeyeshgh" is probably a new sock of "Turkspasha". At least, he gives me that vibe. - LouisAragon (talk) 05:50, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Looks like a WP:DUCK in my opinion too (same edits, targeted articles and style). Browse his SPI case and see if you can find some evidences to relate this new account to him. --Wario-Man (talk) 08:25, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done [1]. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

New sock of Tirgil34 or WorldCreaterFighter?

@LouisAragon:, @Wario-Man:; what about this NEW user 1? Looks like LTA vandal Tirgil34. The account made similar edits with Tirgil34's on Kipchaks. Also the account's edits remind me banned WorldCreaterFihgter too-focuses on the same articles like Southeast Asians, Cantonese, Turkic peoples, etc.- 176.119.28.109 (talk) 11:30, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

176.119.28.109 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), this "new" account was made after the last Tirgil34 sweep, so it could be. I'm not that well versed however regarding his edits on SEA etc articles. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@LouisAragon:, @Wario-Man:, user "GörselHayat" is %100 sock of Tirgil34. Pushes the same fringe pov regarding Subartu, Turukkeans, etc as Tirgil did in the past, see LTA page. He involved in edit wars many times with user Ergativertl for the same pov. User Kicsspale on Bashkirs is also sock. Could anyone please file a new SPI case? 176.119.28.109 (talk) 10:44, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

@176.119.28.109: If you have evidences (diffs), write them here. Because I need related diffs to submit a new SPI case and prove he's the new sock of that long-term abuser. --Wario-Man (talk) 10:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

With pleasure! But i need some time, i am on phone now. Tonight or tomorrow night, I'll come with diffs. Thanks. 176.119.28.109 (talk) 11:02, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I reported him to ARV. But please send your diffs because it's possible he registered several new accounts too. --Wario-Man (talk) 11:06, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I'll. But if you need the diffs right now, take a look at the revision history of Turukkaeans and Subartu. Confirmed socks' edits were reverted by Krakkos. In addition, the "new" editor's interest on Northeast caucasians could be an another sign. Location of KipchakHakan on apricity is Chechenya. 176.119.28.109 (talk)

Here is the diffs: 1, 2,  3, 4, 5. The LTA vandal pushed the same pov with his various socks e.g. Hirabutor, Henephon, etc back then. The new banned account's knowledge on linguistic is also resembling Tirgil34. 176.119.28.109 (talk) 19:34, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

He's blocked now. As I know, SPI is only for active accounts. So what do you do? Or me? --Wario-Man (talk) 18:51, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I know but I bet he has additional socks. So the sock account should be checked by checkusers. As for sockpuppet Kicsspale, the account is stale. So probably checkusers will not check it. By the way, LTA vandal is active on YouTube nowadays and pushes "new" idiotic theories (eg."The real Aryans are Uighurs"). So could you please watch the Uyghurs, Haplogroup P and Haplogroup P1? Besides, I spot a dubious ip on Haplogroup R1a. 176.119.28.109 (talk) 12:50, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Contact admins about his activities outside Wikipedia. Plus, checkusers do not use such methods to find socks. He may registered many new accounts but until he activates them again, we can't do anything. However, contact some checkusers to see what they say about this issue. --Wario-Man (talk) 13:19, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I'll contact checkusers. And what do you think about the first suspicious user? WorldCreaterFighter or Tirgil34? 176.119.28.109 (talk) 13:47, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Something fishy

@Wario-Man:, @LouisAragon:, I noticed that a "new" and dubious user on LA's talk page 1. The account was created 2 days ago and today, abrubtly, send dubious messages on talk pages (rants with no single diffs and/or a previous action by him). Also, today, created an userpage and represents himself as "Persian Circassian" (probably to catch Louis's attention through WP:ACTING). I think he is the same Turkocentric sockmaster with stupid plans. 176.119.28.109 (talk) 08:45, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

The sock made some removals/dummy edits on articles to prove that he is a "fellow(!)" Iranian 1. I am %100 sure now, he is the same long-term vandal with stupid plans. By the way, user Kicsspale is also an obvious sock. 176.119.28.109 (talk) 10:52, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Looks very similar to Tirgil34. I will watch him. I didn't find the other one. His username is incorrect. Plus, Tirgil34 has a team. Some of those accounts are not him and his socks. This guy has some agendas which supported by his members from Germany, Russia, Turkey, Canada and USA. --Wario-Man (talk) 14:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Yep to everything. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:12, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@176.119.28.109 and LouisAragon: Very similar to Tirgil34 and Co.[2] Seems we should watch Tirgil34's favorite targets and topics carefully. --Wario-Man (talk) 10:05, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

His knowledge on linguistics is also resembling the same sockpuppeteer. Keep in mind that, the sockmaster is very active on wictionary. So what could be the purpose of this moron? a) ascribing fictitious character to his new sock not to be noticed when editing on wikipedia b) contacting you and LA by winning your trust to manipulate further SPI cases c) trying to create WP:DUCK of LA to make him blocked. See the LTA page, these are his habitual behaviours. In any case, we are all aware of these silly sock tricks and he will be blocked soon. Please take an eye and report him at the right time. 176.119.28.109 (talk) 11:08, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Could you mention his active usernames on Wiktionary and English Wikipedia? --Wario-Man (talk) 14:26, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I had a look wiktionary, his account was not active now. I also had a look both de.wikipedia and tr.wikipedia regarding his currently targeted articles. Look what i have found: 12 The same account is also registered on en.wikipedia. A sleeper. As for his current sock; he has created a fake user page. It means that, he is planning to use this "new" sock account for a long time, unlike his other temporary sock accounts (e.g. Kicsspare). 176.119.28.109 (talk) 10:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

He and his mates (e.g. that laughable website) are a paid organized group with nationalist agenda in my opinion. Blocking and SPI reports are not perfect cures for this case because it's not a typical case. He uses his blog and youtube channel to launch new attacks on Wikipedia. Never forget there are some other nationalists who are not as crazy as Tirgil34 but they share same targets with him. I see strong similarities between their posts on racialist forums and their activities on Wikipedia. --Wario-Man (talk) 08:16, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

I totally disagree with you. The SPI cases very well works. Compare this vandal's sock activities before and after @Krakkos:'s intervention, there is a significant difference. And yeah, he has some meatpuppets or mates here but obviously MOST of the banned socks belong to Tirgil himself. E.g. his newly banned sock and current WP:ACTING sock are him. And i agree with you, he's probably paid. Is there a way to prove it? 176.119.28.109 (talk) 08:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't say SPI is not good. It works very well but it's not a perfect solution. Not enough for a case like this. That vandal and his team targeted Wikipedia since 2006. He won't abandon WP because English Wikipedia is very popular and he needs to promote his BS via popular websites. That's the reason why he uses youtube. But his youtube channel only attracts few people who are similar to him and it's limited because most people are not interested in stuff like that. He was very active in 2012-2014. Thanks to Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34 and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34, he can't vandalize targeted articles like before. Because we exposed him and it's easy to detect his new activities. But Wikipedia should have some policies when we deal with a vandal who has a active base outside of WP. And why do you doubt about "paid" part? Do you think he wastes his money for nothing? Or how he managed to be active 24/7? And that new account is revealing himself. --Wario-Man (talk) 10:35, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

I didn't say that he's not a paid user, read it again please. I completely agree with you at this point. 176.119.28.109 (talk) 13:00, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

OK. I think we should add more details to his LTA page, especially about his activities outside of WP. Other editors should become familiar with him because he may confuse them with his sockpuppetry methods. --Wario-Man (talk) 20:56, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Agree. LTA page needs an update. I am ready to help. Also have a look at this 1. I saw the same ipv6 in various articles with dubious edits. 176.119.28.109 (talk) 09:36, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

That dude is just....wow... - LouisAragon (talk) 03:46, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I've read some wp policies regarding paid users. I think WP needs more detailed, concrete and deterrent rules for WP:COIPOLITICAL/WP:COICAMPAIGN. Which page proper to discuss policies? 176.119.28.109 (talk) 22:40, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't know. Updating his LTA page will help us a lot. Adding new targeted articles and socks, more details about his agenda/behavior, tagging his blocked socks and etc. He's very predictable, as you said it before. For example, every time he uploads something to his youtube channel or posts something on his blog or those racialist/racist forums, then I expect to see new disruptions on targeted topics. I hope checkusers find his oldest account(s) in possible upcoming SPIs. I'm sure Tirgil34 was not his main account. --Wario-Man (talk) 07:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

See the posts of this sunny dude.[3][4] As we discovered his activity in the past, this nationalist vandal spams his BS on every website which has topics about history, genetics and race. He even spammed on Total War series (video game) websites/forums. --Wario-Man (talk) 10:20, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I can't see the content, because i haven't an account there. But I saw his and his mates' actions on the apricity. Seems that they have many socks there too. Many have fictitious characters: so-called "Germans", "Hungarians", etc spreading hate against Iranians, Russians and Armenians. But the main target is the Iranians, as usual. Probably they are paid by their gov/states or an ultra-nationalist organisation. Since it seems an organised campaign, i think the targeted states should do something about it. It is a serious problem and individuals alone can't stop all those shit on the Internet. Anyway, we should do our best on WP. I'll create an account and will update the LTA page. 176.119.28.109 (talk) 05:21, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Some of them are just typical nationalist ranters but the others are an organized group. I said this before: Their activities on Wikipedia (obviously their edit summaries and comments on talk pages) match with their posts on the apricity, that youtube channel, and etc. I may continue this discussion when you create an account. On your talk page. Good luck. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:54, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

A possible sockpuppet

Hello. Check this user, he is likely a sockpuppet, editing articles with a Kurdish nationalist POV. Almost all of his edits are disruptive, with usually fake edit summaries. You may be able to recognize his sockmaster? -- Mazandar (talk) 18:29, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

@Mazandar: Hi. He does not look like a familiar/known sockmaster to me and he's a registered user since 2009. Some of his edits are problematic some are OK. So either talk to him on his talk page (seems he's from your country) or report him to WP:ANI if he continues his disruptive edits. --Wario-Man (talk) 19:59, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Scythian Origins Genetically proven to be related to Turkic peoples.

Have you looked at the DNA studies done on Scyhthians almost all of them Carry Turkic genes. How about you stop falsifying history and science. Educate yourself, http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615. "populations with genetic similarities to eastern Scythian groups are found almost exclusively among Turkic language speakers".